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There is another parish in Newark, St Michaels. What's their story? Where they a great Russian/DP parish or an old Metropolia church that went over to ROCOR when they switched calendars?
Thanks for your help.
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Does anyone know if Our Lady of Kazan church in Newark, NJ went over to the Greek resistance synod? I hear a rumor on a web site which featured some photos of the church but have no way of confirming it? They briefly went to a Greek Old Calendarist Group ( not the Cyprianite "Synod in Resistance"). But they returned to sanity, repented, and came back where they belong: to the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia under the then First Hierarch, Metropolitan Laurus of blessed memory. They remain in our Church. Fr David Straut
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There is another parish in Newark, St Michaels. What's their story? Where they a great Russian/DP parish or an old Metropolia church that went over to ROCOR when they switched calendars?
Thanks for your help. St Michael's Parish was in the old Metropolia and returned to the Church Abroad over the change of calendar. Fr David Straut
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All I know is the old rector, Fr Vladimir Shishkoff, had gone to ROAC. Our Lady of Kazan Parish did not go with him to ROAC. He has a Chapel in a house somewhere. Fr David Straut
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All I know is the old rector, Fr Vladimir Shishkoff, had gone to ROAC. Our Lady of Kazan Parish did not go with him to ROAC. He has a Chapel in a house somewhere. I knew that, Father, and almost wrote it. Thanks.
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So their are two ROCOR parishes in Newark? One serves great Russian (DP's I presume) and the other Carpatho Russians/Rusyns? Does this arrangment occur in any other parts of the USA or Canada?
Also, does nayone have a list of all the OCA parishes that went to ROCOR after the calendar change in 82? I am also aware that there were a few that jumped ship from the Metropolia after the Moscow autocephalecy accord in 1970? I also beleive that the famous Holy Ghost parish in Bridgport CT was one of those but left the ROCOR and went back to the OCA after several years for some reason?
How generally is the relationship between the Carpatho-Russian/Lemko parishes with those of the mainstream DP ROCOR ones? Is there some tension that exist due to the more modern and someewhat Greek Catholic practices of the Carpatho Russian parishes (such as pews, different liturgical music and customes, and so forth)?
Just interested. I am somewhat of a historian so info about stuff like this just interest me for those reasons.
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from: http://orthodoxwiki.org/ROCOR_and_OCA ROCOR & OCA Community Transfers 1951 St. John the Baptist Cathedral (Mayfield, PA) ROCOR - OCA 1964 Protection of the Holy Virgin (Ottawa, Canada)ROCOR - OCA 1970 Protection of the Holy Virgin (Ottawa, Canada)OCA - ROCOR 1971 St. Nicholas Church (Bankstown, New South Wales, Australia) ROCOR - OCA 1972 Holy Ghost Church (Bridgeport, CT) OCA - ROCOR 1976 Bp. Kyrill and the Bulgarian Diocese: ROCOR - OCA * St. Nicholas Church (Fort Wayne, IN) * St. Nicholas Church (Burton, MI) * St. Paul Cathedral (Dearborn Heights, MI) * St. Elia the Prophet Church (Akron, OH) * Ss. Cyril and Methodius Church (Lorain, OH) * St. George Cathedral (Rossford, OH) * Holy Ghost Church (Youngstown, OH) * St. John Rilski Church (Niagara Falls, ON) * St. George Church (Toronto, ON) 1977 Holy Ghost Church (Bridgeport, CT) ROCOR - OCA 1982 St. John the Baptist Cathedral (Mayfield, PA) OCA - ROCOR 1982 St. Basil the Great (Simpson, PA) OCA - ROCOR 1982 St. Stephen (Old Forge, PA) OCA - ROCOR 1992 (?)Monastery of the All Merciful Savior (Vashon Island, WA) OCA - ROCOR 1997 Monastery of the Glorious Ascension (Resaca, GA) OCA - ROCOR
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Interesting. I would have thought more parishes would have gone OCA-ROCOR. If my count is correct, 7 parishes or moonasteries went OCA-ROCOR while 13 went ROCOR-OCA, almost twice as many.
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Wow, I guess this jurisdiction hopping stuff ahppens all the time (at least with the ROCOR and OCA)? It would seem a little embarrasing for a parish to jump ship to one jurisdiction and then, several years later, jump back.
Of course I remember an Orthodox priest once tellign me that some parishes used to transfer around so much that it wouldn' suprise him if there weren't a few who were, at one time, under the Synagogue Council of America!
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Very incomplete listing. I would not look to Orthodoxwiki for definitive information. Just off the top of my head, 2 of the churches not listed are:
Holy Virgin Dormition McKeesport Pa OCA - ROCOR
Holy Trinity Church California Pa OCA - ROCOR
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Add to that list, three others I know of, OCA>ROCOR Saint Nicholas Stratford, CT 1983, Saint Mary of Egypt Norcross, GA and the above mentioned Saint Michael's Newark, NJ both 1996.
Plus, I just read at least one (Brisbane) if not all of the OCA's extra-territorial holdings in Australia has been transferred to ROCOR in the past couple months. Cap that off with the OCA having to close its South American Exarchate in the past couple years, due to all the parishes going to the MP or ROCOR.
I have to agree the source reporting for the entry was rather selective in their input for this listing.
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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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From the data given so far it appears that since 1977 no parish or monastery has moved from the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia to the Orthodox Church in America - the traffic, so to speak, has all been from the Orthodox Church in America to the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia.
This includes the "heartland" of north-eastern Pennsylvania. One might note that there has also been movement in that region from the Orthodox Church in America to the Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese and even to the Moscow Patriarchate.
Judging from the dates involved, some of this shifting resulted from the effort to impose the New Calendar.
Otherwise, I leave the intepretation of the data to others who are probably better informed than I am.
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Holy Trinity in California, PA was ACROD, not OCA. The parish had a somewhat tenuous relationship with the Diocese for many years, and basically functioned independently of the hierarchy. When their priest died, a new priest was not assigned (although there was some discussion with the Diocese about it). Eventually, after being priestless for a few years, they requested one from ROCOR. As late as 2006, the parish was listed in the ACRY Annual as being part of the Diocese, but vacant. It is still listed in the directory on the Diocesan website.
There was also a split in the ACROD parish in Clymer, PA several years back. A portion of the parishioners left and formed a ROCOR parish in the same area.
As far as I know, those are the only cases of ACROD-->ROCOR movement, at least on any noticeable scale.
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As far as I know, those are the only cases of ACROD-->ROCOR movement, at least on any noticeable scale. Dave, What about OCA-->ACROD or vice-versa? Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Dave,
What about OCA-->ACROD or vice-versa?
Many years,
Neil St John the Baptist Church, Rahway, NJ: Metropolia/OCA to ACROD St Spyridon's Church, Perth Amboy, NJ: Metropolia to ROCOR (1950's) to OCA (1998) I was the last ROCOR priest to serve St Spyridon's.
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