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#329226 08/04/09 05:14 PM
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Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon,

Here is a link to the Eastern Catholic Conference of Diocesan Directors [ecdd.org] on the problems with Eastern Catholics using the Roman Catachism as if it was universal. This is well written.

I hope many here will take the time to read and reflect on what is written.

Fush BaShlomo Lkhoolkhoon,
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I agree with this docuement fully! I can't wait for the Ukrainian Catechism to be finished!

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What is the date on this document? Is it recent?

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Originally Posted by Yuhannon
Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon,

Here is a link to the Eastern Catholic Conference of Diocesan Directors [ecdd.org] on the problems with Eastern Catholics using the Roman Catachism as if it was universal. This is well written.

Thank you.
Is there a date for this document?

-ML

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Originally Posted by Mlouise
Is there a date for this document?
-ML

I see it does say "... the draft text, Catechism for the Universal Church, to which we are asked to respond", the heading paragraph says "the first draft" so it sounds like the response was written before the publication of the CCC. Not that that would change things much maybe. I need to read thru their document, haven't yet.

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But does that document refer to the last version of the Catholic Catechism? In the link there is in italic the following: "Eastern Catholics were generally disappointed with the first draft of the Catechism of the Universal Church". Did the last version assimilated any suggestion of the document?

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How can a catechism be universal?

A catechism cannot truly capture the spirituality of a particular tradition within a particular Church.

We have been waiting for the Ukrainian Catechism for a llonnnggg time. it seems that they move about as quickly as Rome does.

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I recently read the "Introduction to the Catechism of the Catholic Church" by Cardinals Ratzinger and Schonborn, and in Chapter 4 Ratzinger addresses the issue of a Catechism being "universal" and also the issue of using the Apostle's Creed instead of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. He writes,

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For centuries the catechetical tradition has quite unselfconsciously used the baptismal creed of the Roman Church, which has become a basic prayer of Western Christianity under the name "Apostles' Creed". But it was now objected that the Apostolicum is a Latin creed, whereas the Catechism belongs to the whole Catholic Church, of the West and of the East. It thus seemed advisable to retain the so-called "Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed", as, for example, the German Adult Catechism had done. Subsequent reflection on the peculiarity of each of the several types of creed persuaded us to forego this plan. The Nicenum is, in fact, a conciliar creed, that is, a creed for bishops, which at later date began to do double duty as the creed of the community gathered in the eucharistic liturgy. In other words, it already presupposes catechesis in order to develop it further. Catechesis as such has traditionally preferred baptismal creeds, because by nature it is propaedeutic to Baptism, or else to the existence which is born out of Baptism. Now, it is true that baptismal creeds, unlike the great conciliar creeds, differ from place to place; one has to choose the creed of a local church. Nevertheless, they are so close to one another in their essential structure that the decision in favor of the Roman creed-the Apostolicum-is not a one-sided option for Western tradition, but rather throws open the doors to the whole Church's common tradition of faith.

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Many citations in the Catechism come from western saints and western theologians. I assume that when something is called "universal" then is meant for the whole Church.
So perhaps the Catechism is meant for the whole Church, but I don't see why that would make any particular catechism less universal either.
The Eastern catechisms that I have are not written from the latin tradition of which I am a part of. However, the truths in those catechisms can still help to form my faith.


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