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Predanije,

There is a wealth of Catholic documentation available at ewtn.com. The Union of Brest can be found at <http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/TREATBR.HTM>

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Originally Posted by Predanije
Epiphanius:

I am wondering where I could locate the actual text of the Union of Brest?

Thanks
Try: Treaty of Brest

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Not sure I see the profit in rehashing this topic over and over again. For most it's about emotion and not about science.
The problem for me is not (others') emotional attachment but emotion that also puts forth facts (science) that are incorrect, and emotion that is the product of polemics rather than truth. Ignoring such assertions allows those wrong facts then to become a truth unto themselves -- they are simply repeated until no longer questioned as being unsubstantiated or wrong. This has happened and is shown by posts on this forum.

I agree that "For most it's about emotion and not about science." The dilemma arises for me, in this particular instance, in that I would trace the present rehashing to this post:

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Originally Posted by Predanije
I bought one book from the Center for Traditionalist Orthodox Studies titled "A Scientific Examination of the Orthodox Church Calendar" which is somewhat of a polemic but still good information if one can sift through the combative tone of the writing. Anyone have an opinion of this book or know of another?
A real "Scientific Examination" of the Julian calendar can only come to one conclusion, and it is not an auspicious one for the Julian calendar. Though not books, for a non-polemical current appraisal of the issue one should at least be aware of:

1. The Aleppo Statement [oikoumene.org]

2. SCOBA on Aleppo [scoba.us]

And there was an endorsement of the book:

Originally Posted by Fr Serge Keleher
I know that book well - and it's quite good.

Fr. Serge

and a criticism of the Aleppo study (the links):

Originally Posted by Fr Serge Keleher
I've read them both, and am profoundly unimpressed.

Fr. Serge

The assertion is a study purporting to be scientific: "A Scientific Examination of the Orthodox Church Calendar." Attempts to examine the issue on the basis of scientific merit and accuracy are then met with the response that it's not really about science and accuracy, they are secondary, scientific accuracy was not the goal, etc.

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I also suspect that the sense of accuracy and being scientific is misunderstood by some in terms of its purpose. I've asked these questons to explore the matter but they have not been answered or addressed.

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Would accepting the practice of the Quartodecimans have been an equally acceptable solution for the Church in achieving unity regarding when Pascha is celebrated?

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...was the prescription of Nicaea just an arbitrary sequence of astronomical events? Was there some significance to the sequence?

If yes to the latter, what's the significance?

Answers or comments would be helpful and appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Predanije
I bought one book from the Center for Traditionalist Orthodox Studies titled "A Scientific Examination of the Orthodox Church Calendar" which is somewhat of a polemic but still good information if one can sift through the combative tone of the writing. Anyone have an opinion of this book or know of another?
Predanije,

Have you read any more of this book? Any further comments?

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Both the Julian and Gregorian Calendars celebrate on the same liturgical (kairos) day - the only difference is the observance of these liturgical (kairos) days in time (chronos). The Gregorian liturgical calendar is accurate and in tune with time (chronos). The Julian is inaccurate and out of tune with time (chronos).

We already celebrate most major feasts on the same kairotic days, particular saints days excluded.

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Last night I was reading the Common Response to the Aleppo Statement on the Date of Easter/Pascha North American Orthodox-Catholic Theological Consultation [scoba.us], Washington d.c., October 31, 1998.

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2. The Aleppo Statement rightly calls attention to the centrality of Christ's resurrection as the basis of our common faith. As "the ultimate expression of the Father's gift of reconciliation and unity in Christ through the Spirit," the resurrection "is a sign of the unity and reconciliation which God wills for the entire creation" (paragraph 5). Yet by celebrating the feast of Christ's resurrection, the Holy Pascha, or Easter, on different Sundays in the same year, "the churches give a divided witness" to this mystery, "compromising their credibility and effectiveness in bringing the Gospel to the world" (paragraph 1). The question of the date of Easter/Pascha, therefore, is not simply an academic issue, void of pastoral implications.

...4. Noting that in the year 2001 the Paschal calculations now in use in our churches will coincide, the Aleppo Statement also recommends that, in the interval between now and then, the churches study and consider means to implement these recommendations.

1998. 2009. Still in "study and consider"...
We do at least have 2010 2011 Easter/Pascha in common.

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