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I don't see it as arguing but presenting arguments -- facts synthesized towards a reasonable conclusion. That's properly done on a forum. I see this as a discussion. What's wrong with that? So we disagree on some points.


Other than a crystal ball I'm not sure what's the basis for this opinion. You may be right.


Just for the record, where have I advocated otherwise? It is others who have linked unity to the Julian calendar.

Who are those others?


But it has changed the situation. I think a good deal of accurate information has been brought to light.

No. I think you and others are reading a lot more into my posts than is actually there. For some reason defending the legitimate accuracy, fidelity, etc. of the Gregorian calendar, relative to the Julian, (which is even acknowledged by some) is assumed to be forcing or coercing Julian calendar users to change. I have not engaged in the latter, but I have questioned the rationale of abandoning the (accurate) Gregorian for the (inaccurate) Julian. If that was unclear in my posts, please point out where. I cannot help it, however, where the facts speak clearly for themselves.

You're entitled to your opinion. I merely say that unity in the celebration of Pascha was the purpose of Nicaea's prescription and it should be ours. I also say that it is demonstrable that the Julian calendar is no longer in agreement with that prescription. I advocate fidelity to Nicaea's prescription.

You're entitled to his opinion. But what do you mean by unity? Some have used it to mean church unity, others to imply calendar unity. For the latter:



Accuracy (the Gregorian, Aleppo) after unity under the uniform use of the Julian calendar (as a means for achieving unity) – I didn’t think that was what you were saying.

But, if meaning church unity, I have to wonder: First we will resolve issues concerning the immanent Trinity, papal infallibility and jurisdiction. Only then will we be able to resolve the truly difficult -- something as empirical as observing when the moon is full.

Not sure I see the profit in rehashing this topic over and over again. For most it's about emotion and not about science.

I would disagree slightly with what has been said about the Fathers. My guess is that they would simply follow the civil calendar of the day, no matter what it was. Accuracy would probably be far less a consideration then what was commonly used.

I attend a parish that follows the Julian Calendar. For most it is no big deal. There are always, however, a few who take pride in being different and make the differences far more important then they really are. That, of course, is not correct but there is not much one can do about it except to ignore it.

History shows us trivial matters of usage are more difficult to resolve than fundamental issue of doctrine.

Yes, the irony, often, is too true.

It's not irony, it's just human nature. Abstruse discussions about arcane elements of dogma are usually unintelligible to ordinary people; it doesn't impinge on their personal piety or belief in any way. But liturgical ritual, vestments, the wording of familiar prayers and hymns, the dating of the feasts--these hit them where they live. What's the difference between crossing yourself with two fingers or three, you might ask? But to the Old Ritualists, it was a radical discontinuity in the Tradition when Nikon changed to three (the Old Ritualists were, objectively, right on this point, too).. Anything that disrupts the stability of worship will cause popular discontent. Anyone in the Ruthenian Church ought to understand that right now.

For me, it is:

irony [merriam-webster.com]

Perhaps I trust too much in reason and objectivity taming emotions.

Historians tend not to fall into that error.

And we know how history is never revised.

History revised? Never.

Only by the winners.

You sound just like my grad history professor.

History does not repeat itself, but historians repeat each other.

Epiphanius:

I am wondering where I could locate the actual text of the Union of Brest?

Thanks