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Well ajk,

I respectfully disagree with your comments. How many calendar threads do we need to see going? This at least the third this calendar year, and some the arguments being used are re-hashes and maybe the lack of responses is due to many just being tired of the same thing constantly. So you wanted a ruling and now I am the third to disagree with you. I also feel that you are using this topic as a soap box since it is a repeat of comments made in other threads of the same nature before, and that I do not offer any apology for that.

I am personally sick of seeing this issue being brought up repeatedly. If there was something that was of value, then it might be worthwhile.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+

The calendar issue = big yawn!

Ray

oh please - let's have peace from this continual hashing / bashing over the Calendars .

I'm sure there was one in the Onion Dome that was far more interesting than the ones we get here


off to search the archives

I agree with the facts posted by Deacon Tony, but I also know that for many their position on the calendar issue is one of emotion, not of real theology or science. I don't see anyone being convinced either way. I can appreciate the idea (posed by Stuart and others in the various discussions) to match the calendar in use by the Orthodox, but even that would be difficult (given the use of both the Julian and Revised Julian Calendars).

I can appreciate and agree with Father David ("The Calendar is an integrated whole of 365/6 days and how they interact with the Paschal Cycle with the Typikon that is the issue.") If I were to develop that I would say that the such is possible with any seven day calendar. The Church simply took the civil calendar of the day and 'baptized' it with meaning just like the Slavs took the pagan eggs and 'baptized' them to give them new meaning as pysanky.

I generally favor the Alepppo agreement (or, what I would say is the Julian cycle but using an astronomical date of the equinox at Jerusalem rather then a calculated one). But the Churches just are not ready for any change, and we have seen change split parishes. So for now I'd say polite education is the best one can do and to keep praying.

Naturally, the Gregorian calendar has little to recommend itself to Orthodox Christians. It is bad enough that it was introduced by Pope Gregory XIII, Bishop of Rome, but it is even worse that it was imposed on the Russian people by the atheist Communist regime. Thus, it is no surprise that Orthodox Christians are sceptical.

Nevertheless, the Julian calendar is slowly but surely getting more and more out of whack with the seasons, so that eventually Holy Pascha will have to be celebrated in the summer, making it a truly moveable feast!

As a Roman Catholic, I am happy to follow the astronomically more accurate calendar of Pope Gregory XIII. Indeed, I would expect this calendar very gradually to be accepted by Greek Catholic and Orthodox Christians too, for the simple reason that it makes more sense to use a calendar which ensures that the months correspond to the seasons.

For the time being, though, I am quite happy to see many Greek Catholic and Orthodox Christians adhering to the Julian calendar. That way, we get to celebrate Easter twice a year!

What? I didn't ask for a "ruling."

From the other thread:


"start another calendar thread": I started another thread where the calendar is but one part.

Those who don't want to participate need not. Perhaps there is no interest; perhaps those who should be answering have no answer. I'd rather not speculate either way.

I am disappointed that the legitimacy of a topic, based on the initially uncontested words of another, only now becomes the issue, and one that is hijacking the thread. It really is off-topic.

Try participating; I guarantee you won't be yawning.

Those of us who love the Old Calendar and do not propose to abandon it are unlikely to change our view. I've stated my own position repeatedly.

Fr. Serge

AJK,

I am going to be rather blunt, your attitude on your two last posts is both rude and disrespectful. If you were not interested in how folks felt about this, then what was your point in posting this thread, just to get your say in the matter? It seems that the only ones you are singling out for your anger and rudeness in this thread are the Orthodox for the last few posts, and if you want examples I will quote you verbatim to back it up. I noticed none of the Catholic posters had the same type of reply given to them.

People are expressing their feeling legitimately, and your posts are rude in return. I believe an apology is expected immediately.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
Administrator

I really can't see any sense in continually debating this - both sides have their valid arguments .

Those folk who prefer one calendar to the other have stated so often enough .

Why start another debate ? It's not as if it's going to get anywhere .

I respect the fact that many people love the Julian calendar. I do not feel this is a problem at all. What worries me is that some people seem to deny the validity of the Gregorian calendar and claim that only the Julian calendar can provide the date for "real" Pascha. I recall Fr. Serge's comment in another thread about Western Christians celebrating Pascha on Palm Sunday this year. This kind of attitude tends to alienate me from Eastern Christianity. I do not think the followers of the Julian calendar have a monopoly on the "real" celebration of Pascha.

Latin Catholic - may I make a personal plea to you ?

Please work out your post before you hit the submit button - that's 3 very different variations on a post now - I'm getting confused .

Sorry! I'm afraid I do that a lot.

I know

Still, after 20 minutes you can be certain there will be no more revisions.