While this is an interesting discussion,
did anybody notice that the OP asked a question - a question specific to his or her situation?So far, Bob is the only person who attempted to answer it.
There are many instances in which newcomers post an open-ended query about a theological construct, a dogma, doctrine, praxis, history, etc, that is an open invite to full discussion, dialogue, dissertation, debate.
BUT people need to realize that -
sometimes - a question is just a question, not an opportunity to display one's knowledge, theory, belief, etc.
We do not do a service to those who come here, particularly inquirers, and seek basic information when we overwhelm them with historical dissertation on the matter at hand. Should they want that type of background material, they are more than capable of asking for it. searching it out. etc. If something that a newcomer posts invokes a need in you to expound at length, click that "new topic" button and have at it.
I'm splitting off all of the fascinating discussion on immersion version pouring into
a separate thread, where folks (including the OP, if interested) can follow it if they so choose.
The surviving thread, here, is intended to answer the OP's question - that's all.
Thanks.
Many years,
Neil