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Originally Posted by Memo Rodriguez
However, I still maintain that during the execution of the scientific method, we should refran from using God to fill in the gaps of what we cannot explain entirely. It's not only poor science, using God (for any purpose) is poor religion (at least as far as the Christian religion is concerned).

Yes, but there is one moment exempt from this: when the Creator is creating the creation. The first cause is supernatural. You can only wonder whether it was that moment or not.

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On the other hand, within the Catholic tradition, it is generally accepted that natural sciences have kind of a "veto" power on theology.

No, it has nothing to do with Catholicism nor Catholic tradition. It's purely a modern prejudice. Unfortunately, widespread. Don't confuse scholastic usage of reason with submission to science. It was clearly stated, that some things are of faith, and some of nature.

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Theological statements (of any rank) cannot go against what natural sciences have proven as fact.

Rather the natural sciences cannot go against articles of faith and the revelation. God doesn't lie. But the purpose of revelation was to instruct about faith, not nature, which narrows the untouchable area.

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Memo - I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. Forgive me if I gave that indication. We do need scientists to discover and explain the wonders of God's creation. God did this - but how? is the question for me. So to let you know I appreciate you and value the unity of the faith, here is something I picked out expecially for you! It is one of my favorites.

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Originally Posted by Memo Rodriguez
Hello,

Originally Posted by Dan Hartshorn
"From a purely scientific point of view, there could have been a Big Bang with or without God." You are correct scientists say that - from a purely scientific point of view. But of course from a purely scientific point of view there is no God...


That is not what I said.

From a purely scientific point of view, honest scientists cannot tell you whether there is a God or not.

Because natural sciences are not the right tool to answer that question either way.

There can be scientists from any religious affiliation (including "none" for true atheists) and they can all be good scientists and do good science.

Now there are quite a few dishonest atheist scientists who want to press their atheist agenda using science. They have the (God-given!) right to be atheists and freely present and defend their ideas, but they should not try to hijack science to advance their position about God.

On our side of the fence, we have a few of those too: Those who, with a misguided (IMHO) religious zeal, want to push their theological views hijacking science to do that.

Both science-hijackers are wrong in acting like that.

Shalom,
Memo

Protestant "Intelligent Design" pushers come to mind

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Dan, thank you for the link to the duet. Loved it!

Michael, yes, Protestant "Intelligent Design" is an example of theology wanting to drive science. Bad idea.

Shalom,
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