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Holy protestors force cancellation of Catholic Wedding [cyprus-mail.com]

Orthodox monks protest Catholic wedding in Cyprus; angry reaction from archbishop

I usually cringe when folks post stories like this, because they have the potential to be so divisive, but this one intrigues me - in no small part because I cannot figure out why the circumstances arose that caused it.

Maybe, someone can enlighten me as to why a Catholic wedding would have been scheduled to be served in an Orthodox temple in a country which, while principally Orthodox, does have Catholic temples available (4 Latin, not sure how many Maronite, but about 10, I think).

I'm not buying into any conspiracy theories - such as "it was done as a provocation" - because clearly the Orthodox hierarchs involved were aware of it and someone sanctioned the use of the temple.

Thoughts?

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Dear Neil,

Apparently Catholic weddings are allowed to be served in this church...

Something called 'destination weddings' are very popular now, and Cyprus does many of them. I am guessing that this particular church is very beautiful and that it has allowances within a destination package wedding for different denominations. For instance, this Orthodox chapel, on a destination (Cyprus) wedding site says this:

CHURCH CEREMONIES - St. George Chapel
This stunning Chapel with its brightly coloured interior and its red and cream exterior, has a more modern appearance and sits on a hilly outcrop, it's domed roof and lovely arched windows make this church an idyllic setting for a chapel wedding, This Church is ideal for smaller Wedding parties, Anglican wedding ceremonies can take place on Wednesday, Thursday & Friday, or Catholic wedding ceremonies can take place on Monday or Tuesday.


As for the rest of your post, I think the strong words used by the Archbishop here sum it all up. What we are seeing are satanic passions aroused because of the Catholic-Orthodox joint commission which is apparently taking part across the street. I am glad to see scathing spiritual words used, (finally), to ultra-Orthodox monks, who disgrace the ethos of humility of true monasticism with their public displays of aroused passions.

From cyprus-mail.com

The protestors who began demonstrating on Saturday oppose dialogue between the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church, and claim that the aim of the dialogue between the two churches is the submission of the Orthodox Church to the Pope.

Archbishop Chrysostomos expressed his displeasure about the Saturday protest in scathing terms.

“The Church is certainly a place for healing, and people turn to it in order to be healed. But it is not an asylum, nor shall we allow it to become a home for the mentally-ill. The Church cannot be turned into a lunatic asylum” he said.

“For someone – whether a lay or clerical person – to place his opinion above the opinion and decisions of the local synods of the whole of the Orthodox faith amounts to vanity, and indeed satanic vanity.”

Inviting the protestors to “get their feet back on the ground and gain some redemptive humility”, he declared that all clerics and monks who took part in the protest would be punished, and told the participants to visit him in his office yesterday.

The Archbishop said that the clerics would face suspension and loss of pay, and the monks would be deprived of Holy Communion “for several weeks”.

“If they don’t like it, they should take off their robes and leave the formal Church. Let them go and set up their own church. This is why I will be very strict.”



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That "the Church cannot be turned into a lunatic asylum" would come as a mighty big surprise to a lot of priests I know. The fact is, churches often DO function as if that is what they are.

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Most like an awesomely beautiful church and a easy way for the church to receive extra revenue.

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Cyprus has also become a destination for Middle Eastern couples entering into mixed marriages. Cyprus, unlike the states of the Middle East (including Israel) offers civil marriage certificates. Israel and Lebanon both recognize civil marriages as legitimate, as long as they are performed abroad. So Israeli and Lebanese couples of mixed faith travel to Cyprus, get married, and then go home. Otherwise, due to religious strictures, such marriages would not be possible for them.

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Originally Posted by StuartK
Cyprus has also become a destination for Middle Eastern couples entering into mixed marriages. Cyprus, unlike the states of the Middle East (including Israel) offers civil marriage certificates. Israel and Lebanon both recognize civil marriages as legitimate, as long as they are performed abroad. So Israeli and Lebanese couples of mixed faith travel to Cyprus, get married, and then go home. Otherwise, due to religious strictures, such marriages would not be possible for them.

Interesting, I didn't know that.

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In the paper this morning. Synchronicity, anyone?

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Here is the story from The Washington Times [washingtontimes.com] :


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Originally published 04:45 a.m., October 21, 2009, updated 10:04 a.m.,

October 21, 2009

Interfaith couples go to Cyprus to wed

Menelaos Hadjicostis ASSOCIATED PRESS

NICOSIA, Cyprus

The two couples had never met each other, and probably never would. They had come from opposite sides of a border between longtime enemies.

But Elie Wakim and Nada Ghamloush from Lebanon, and Dimitri Stafeev and Olga Zaytseva from Israel, had a problem in common: Belonging to different religions, neither couple could get married in their home country and had to fly to the Mediterranean island of Cyprus for their nuptials.

In the Middle East, civil marriage doesn't exist, and no religious authority will officiate at an interfaith wedding. Lebanon and Israel are different in that they recognize civil marriages as long as they are performed abroad, and the closest venue abroad is Cyprus, 150 miles from Lebanon and 230 miles from Israel.

So this little island, which claims to be the birthplace of Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love, has made mixed marriages something of an industry. Its municipalities charge an average $415 for express processing and $190 for others, while travel agencies in both Lebanon and Israel offer packages including travel, luxury hotel, marriage fees and flowers for the bride.

Last year, by Cyprus government count, 523 couples from Lebanon and 1,533 from Israel were married here.

Mr. Wakim, 39, and Ms. Ghamloush, 33, met at work, fell in love and decided to marry. Their problem was, he's a Maronite Christian, she's of the Bahai faith. So Cyprus was their best bet.

Their wedding at City Hall in Nicosia, the capital, was quick and unadorned. A photocopier next to the Wedding Room whirred and creaked as municipal workers handled paperwork. The groom slipped outside for a quick smoke in the parking lot.

Then the marriage officer arrived, recited his lines in English, and the couple exchanged vows. It was over in 10 minutes.

They snapped a few photos of themselves on the steps of City Hall, then hurried off to finish the paperwork. They were catching a 40-minute flight back to Beirut that evening.

Many other couples stay on to honeymoon on the island, a sunny, laid-back escape from their high-stress lives back home at the center of the Mideast conflict. One such couple is Dimitri Stafeev and Olga Zaytseva, two 29-year-olds of Russian descent who live in a town near Jerusalem.

He's Jewish and she's a Russian Orthodox Christian, so they couldn't marry in Israel unless one of them converted to the other's faith. Converting to Judaism is a long process of study and ritual, and can be especially difficult for immigrants from the former Soviet Union who may have grown up with no religious education.

Mr. Stafeev and Ms. Zaytseva were married this month near the seaside city of Larnaca, in a century-old mansion renovated by the municipality with carpets and antique furniture to serve as a suitably romantic backdrop.

In Israel, the Orthodox rabbis who control marriage and divorce argue that their strict definition of Jewishness - it passes only through the mother - is vital to preserve the unity of a long-persecuted people, and to spare the offspring of mixed marriages from inheriting similar problems when their time comes to marry.

Clerics are just as firm in Lebanon, whose Muslim and Christian populations subdivide into 18 officially recognized religious groups.

"For us, a person who has civil marriage is like a person who is committing adultery," the Rev. Joseph Abdul-Sater, a Maronite Catholic priest and religious judge, said. "The marriage is the sacrament, while civil marriage is a contract, and for that reason it is considered cohabitation."

Mohammed Dali Balta, a Sunni Muslim judge, said in an interview that if human beings are allowed to write marriage laws, rather than live by religiously sanctified Muslim law, "they can one day legalize marriage between homosexuals."

The Israeli and Lebanese couples who marry in Cyprus tend to feel bitter and discriminated against, and while they may consider each other enemies, they would probably find much to agree on as far as marriage law is concerned.

"Who is ruling the country? In a way, it's the religious parties," said Mr. Wakim, the Lebanese groom. "Not separating the church from government from the beginning ... this is the biggest problem."

Ms. Ghamloush, his 33-year-old bride, said Lebanon, with so many religious groups, greatly needs civil marriage. "Because if you respect your partner, you shouldn't expect him to change his religion for you."

Mr. Stafeev, who works in construction in Israel, said people's religion should be their own affair. "Israel is a democratic state," he said. "Everyone should have the will and the right to do what they want."

Both Lebanon and Israel have champions for change.

Last year a campaign called "All for Civil Marriage in Lebanon" spread through Facebook and became a movement that is trying to legalize civil marriage for those who have no other option, said Basil Abdullah, a Lebanese civil rights activist.

Political rivalries have stymied the effort, he said, but he is optimistic it will eventually succeed.

In Israel, the marriage issue is a political line in the sand that can threaten governments dependent on religious parties for their parliamentary majorities.

Mixed couples in common-law marriages have won some relief from a 2002 Supreme Court ruling granting them the same rights and benefits as those in religiously sanctioned unions, but they still aren't recognized by the state as married unless they go abroad and have a civil marriage.

Irit Rosenblum, a civil rights lawyer who campaigns for civil marriage, said that, for many couples, equal benefits aren't enough; to be registered by the state as married "is really important mentally for them."

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Unfortunate to say the least. I take heart from the Bishop's reaction to the protest. He didn't seem too happy!

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Yup, it looks like that chapel is rented out for Anglican and Catholic weddings. €1000 for the ceremony!!!! But then, in a world where $30K is average for a wedding (and where the rich pay much more for the "perfect day") paying that much for an awesome setting is maybe not surprising.

This is actually somewhat common - one wedding I went to was in a European Protestant church that's rightly featured in tourist books, and the couple were not members of that denomination. It also explains why there was an Orthodox chapel in the movie "Mama Mia" - advertising for destination weddings, if you will.

I can understand why the monks are upset (especially because I'm sure they suspect the chapel is being "rented out" solely for the money). I would probably object if my diocese did that. Still, stomping on someone's wedding day is, in my opinion, contrary to the Christian vocation - whether lay or clergy.

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I would need several questions answered before I would take sides in the issue.

1. Was the ceremony performed at the Altar and did the celebrant enter the Altar?
2. Was the reserve Sacrament present? What about the Antimens?
3. Was the sanctity of the edifice maintained?

Any Orthodox child can tell you that no one may enter the Altar without great need and a blessing, and that no one besides clergy may dare to touch the Holy Table. The Altar is sanctified, and nothing other than Church services could possibly occur there.

If the wedding took place in the nave or the narthex, and proper, worshipful decorum was observed, and the sanctity of the Church was maintained, then I really don't have that much of a problem with helping out the Western brethren who wanted to be married there.

It is my belief that this was more directed at what was occurring across the street.

As to the Good Bishop's comments, I have nothing to say other than it is the Holy monastics who historically have been the guardians and defenders of Orthodoxy, and not the episcopacy. I worry when monastics display something less than confidence in their hierarchs.



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Thanks for all the feedback.

Alice,

You hit the nail on the head. Although my head cold caused me to forget it entirely, I am aware of the 'destination wedding' concept and even knew that Cyprus was a prime locale for such. Apparently, it's an opportunity to wed in a particularly beautiful setting for costs that don't begin to approach the outrageous ones associated with (most) US weddings these days, despite airfare and the fees for a civil ceremony required of non-Cypriots.

Stuart,

Although it probably didn't factor into this situation (since a church wedding was planned, I'm guessing that there wasn't an interfaith issue involved in the situation at hand), that was an interesting pick-up. A question did come to mind from the piece you posted though (although it's tangential to the thread itself).

The second scenario, involving the couple from Israel was no surprise, but the other caught me off-guard. While understandable that a Maronite priest would not solemnize a Maronite-Baha'i marriage, I was curious that a Baha'i cleric would not have willingly done so. However, a bit of research led me to discover that the small Lebanese Baha'i community is not among the 18 recognized religious bodies in Lebanon. Accordingly, its marriage ceremonies are not sanctioned.

Alexandr,

I agree with the concerns you raise in the 3 questions posted and, as well, with your observation that this was as or more likely related to what was happening across the road as it was to the wedding.

Many years,

Neil


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...excerpt:

Ecumenism: Heresy?

Asked whether ecumenism is a heresy, Zizoulas replied: "In defining someone as a heretic, one must consider if that person rejects the principles endorsed by ecumenical synods. Among those Orthodox participating in the ecumenical dialogue I have not found any deviation from the principles of faith. Moreover knowing how to dialogue with those who oppose your beliefs does not make you a heretic. Ecumenical dialogue has nothing to hide and our journey is still a long one".

On the prospects of dialogue, Zizoulas concludes by saying: "History is guided by God. Those who proclaim that the Church's unity is impossible, are trying to take the place of God. Who are we to predetermine the future? We are called to tirelessly work so we all may be one. If we do not enact this, or we do so at the expense of the faith of our fathers, then we will be called to answer to God. The final outcome is in His hands. He will find a way to see His will is done, so we may all be one. We simply have to work for unity".


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