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All, I haven't seen many updates except for this, posted from the following URL http://www.mospat.ru/en/2009/10/19/news6660/ Regular session of the Orthodox-Catholic Theological Dialogue on Cyprus
19.10.2009 · DECR Chairman, Inter-Christian relations, Inter-Orthodox relations
On 17 October 2009, a plenary session of the Joint International Commission for the Theological Dialogue between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church began its work on Cyprus. Taking part in the session is a delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church headed by the Chairman of the Moscow Patriarchate Department for External Church Relations Archbishop Hilarion of Volokolamsk.
The participants will discuss the document on the role of the Pope of Rome in the first millennium prepared by the Joint Commission Coordinating Committee in October 2008. The Russian Orthodox Church presented its critical remarks to the Organizing Committee before the session.
On Sunday, October 18, the ordained Orthodox members of the Commission celebrated the Divine Liturgy in Nicosia. His Beatitude Archbishop Chrysostom of Cyprus officiated in concelebration with the representatives of the Patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Moscow, Serbia, Romania, and Georgia, the Churches of Greece, Poland, and of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. Laymen, who represented the Patriarchate of Jerusalem and the Albanian Orthodox Church, we praying at the service also attended by the Catholic participants in the session.
At the repast after the Divine Liturgy His Beatitude Archbishop Chrysostom and Archbishop Hilarion had a talk.
Later in the day the Commission members visited the Nicosia metochion of the famous Kykkos monastery where they were greeted by its abbot Metropolitan Nicephorus.
The Joint International Commission for the Theological dialogue between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church will work till October 23. Praying that this time goes well, Jonathan p.s. Am I to read this as meaning that there are no Antiochian representatives at this meeting?
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The Patriarchate of Antioch is one of the 15 Orthodox Churches officially entitled to send 2 delegates to the 11th Meeting of the Commission in Cyprus.
However, the actual attendance and the record of the sessions have not been made public.
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I understood Zizoulas defended the ecumenical dialogue in front of some orthodox protests.
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I understood Zizoulas defended the ecumenical dialogue in front of some orthodox protests. Bless, Father, This forum requires that hierarchs and clerics be addressed by their proper title - in this instance Metropolitan. Many years, Neil
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I understood Zizoulas defended the ecumenical dialogue in front of some orthodox protests. Dear Father, If you read my last post on the original thread about this subject, you will see I excerpted some of what Met. Zizoulas said and also provided a link for the rest of the article. In any case, for easier reference here is my post: ...excerpt: Ecumenism: Heresy? Asked whether ecumenism is a heresy, Zizoulas replied: "In defining someone as a heretic, one must consider if that person rejects the principles endorsed by ecumenical synods. Among those Orthodox participating in the ecumenical dialogue I have not found any deviation from the principles of faith. Moreover knowing how to dialogue with those who oppose your beliefs does not make you a heretic. Ecumenical dialogue has nothing to hide and our journey is still a long one". On the prospects of dialogue, Zizoulas concludes by saying: "History is guided by God. Those who proclaim that the Church's unity is impossible, are trying to take the place of God. Who are we to predetermine the future? We are called to tirelessly work so we all may be one. If we do not enact this, or we do so at the expense of the faith of our fathers, then we will be called to answer to God. The final outcome is in His hands. He will find a way to see His will is done, so we may all be one. We simply have to work for unity". http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=16625&size=AIn Christ, Alice
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The Patriarchate of Antioch is one of the 15 Orthodox Churches officially entitled to send 2 delegates to the 11th Meeting of the Commission in Cyprus.
However, the actual attendance A Bulgarian "NO" to the Orthodox-Catholic Dialogue http://www.oodegr.com/english/oikoumenismos/bulgaria_dialogue.htmThe Synod of the Bulgarian Church decided not to participate on Cyprus. It also declined to participate at Ravenna.
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from asianews [ asianews.it]: The work of the first phase of meetings post Ravenna 2007, between Orthodox and Catholics for the unity of two churches concluded in Paphos, Cyprus with a common assertion of willingness to go forward "at all costs”....Of course the road is long, it was commented in Paphos, but there is the will of both sides to move forward at all costs, trying to soften the fears of those in their flock opposed to the prospect of unity. In the Orthodox world there are some areas that delight in their independence, however, characterized by a provincial culture, whereas in the Catholic world some sectors languish in a exaggerated dogmatic rationalism, which blocks a greater willingness to address the various issues. We suffer from an exaggerated Popery, a Catholic prelate revealed,...The Joint Commission, finally, has announced the next round of discussion and correction of the text of Crete, for September (20-27) 2010 in Vienna. It will be organised by Cardinal Christoph Schönborn
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Bishops take control of DialogueThe Cyprus statement re the text was disappointing: "No final text has been decided upon, and any text that may be circulated is not valid." Word appearing on the Russian Church sites is that the bishops of various Orthodox Churchess are insisting on their authority to examine and approve any text before it is issued. This will slow down the publication of any text considerably (much to our own disappointment.) But it is a healthy sign of the hierarchs' interest in the dialogue and their desire for active involvement in the dialogue and in pointing it in the direction they desire. I see that the Bishops of the Church of Greece have reserved the right to approve it to themselves. "4. The Ravenna Document, and the text that is to be discussed in Cyprus are subject to the condition of reporting to and being approved by the local Autocephalous Churches, and subsequently by the Church of Greece, convening Synodically. In practice this means there will be no finalized actions, without the Synodical approval of the Hierarchy. Hierarchs are the guardians of Orthodox Tradition, according to their confession during their ordination as Bishops." http://www.oodegr.com/english/ekklisia/synodoi/Greece_Synod_Announcement_re_Dialogue.htm
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This particular Bulgarian bishop appears to be more optimistic than the rest of his Church... A Bulgarian "NO" to the Orthodox-Catholic Dialogue http://www.oodegr.com/english/oikoumenismos/bulgaria_dialogue.htmThe Synod of the Bulgarian Church decided not to participate on Cyprus. It also declined to participate at Ravenna.
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Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!
I believe that it's important for all of us to read and reflect on the developments that are portrayed in the links posted here to other positions found in the Orthodox Church. It's so often easy to jump to the conclusion that corporate eucharistic communion is right around the corner. I think that these links are important reminders that there are other, very important considerations to understand--and to understand from the point of view of those making them heard.
I think it's important from the side of the Catholic Church to understand that the dialogue is not something that can and will be done at international conferences where delegates will come to some agreement that will quicklly pave the way for communion to take place. I think it's important to understand the structure of the Orthodox Church--that it is synodical and that the bishops of the Churches must be involved intimately. This is something that is so far removed from the structure of the Catholic Church that I'm sure many Catholics cannot and do not understand.
Let's pray for unity, but let's not be carried away by media hype. Let's pray that we can understand each other and understand the approach each of us brings to this dialogue. I think many Orthodox Christians understand how the Catholic Church works, but I'm also convinced that few Catholics have the foggiest idea how the Orthodox Church works.
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Thanks for the link. Hopefully Metropolitan Paul's criticisms will influence the finalized document.
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I think it's important from the side of the Catholic Church to understand that the dialogue is not something that can and will be done at international conferences where delegates will come to some agreement that will quicklly pave the way for communion to take place. I think it's important to understand the structure of the Orthodox Church--that it is synodical and that the bishops of the Churches must be involved intimately. This is something that is so far removed from the structure of the Catholic Church that I'm sure many Catholics cannot and do not understand. I second all that, three times over. :-)
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