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That's not evangelism either.
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of the last several adults chrismated, all of them are former protestants. Accepted directly into the Ruthenian Church. No problem. We've one couple coming in from paganism.
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Not wanting to get off topic, but Stuart mentioned the RDL exodus, which leads me to wonder: does anyone have any idea how much the RDL has affected attendance and/or membership in the Byzantine Catholic Church?
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Let me put it to you this way:
You can go to Antarctica, and evangelize with all the fervor of the Apostle Paul himself, but unless there is a canon that allows you to baptize penguins, the size of your church will be circumscribed by the (small) number of people on that continent.
Similarly, you can have the most marvelous outreach program in the world, you can have gifted preachers, but in a dying city with a shrinking population and churches located in areas far from the communities they were meant to serve, your success will be limited. A city of less than 2 million people has need of fewer churches than one that has a population of 2.5 million people. The people who move tend to be young adults with families, who are the lifeblood of any parish. The people who remain are mainly older people who have or are about to retire. That's the story of Cleveland, where the median age is now 37 years. Older populations are less economically well off and lack the physical ability to do many of the things a parish must in order to grow.
When you are also dealing with a church whose core believers come from a specific community and that community moves away so that few of its members can or will make the long journey to church, it is almost impossible to maintain the critical mass that is needed to do the mundane stuff like pay the utility bills, fix the roof, maintain the exterior, etc.
Consider that Holy Ghost, like a lot of other parishes of its day, were built in the middle of an ethnic neighborhood and was sized accordingly. However, the people moved, the neighborhood changed, and the building is no longer sustainable.
That does not mean that it should be razed (I doubt that it can, historic preservation codes being what they are), but it does mean unless someone has some very deep pockets, it will never function as a parish church again--unless you can think of some way to get an Eastern European community to move back to the neighborhood. You need to maintain that ethnic core if you want to build up a parish that appeals to a wider group of people. After all, who else will be the bearers and transmitters of the Tradition? Even in new parishes that sprang up in non-traditional areas such as the south, the southwest and the far west, there was always a nucleus of ethnics willing to do the hard work of getting the parish up and running.
Those people used to live in places like Cleveland. Now they live elsewhere, and the Church's center of gravity is shifting.
In places where the population is growing, the Church will grow. In places where the population is shrinking, the Church will shrink. No people, no church. If you think differently, please do try starting a new parish, or reviving an old one, in a moribund rust-belt city center. Despite similarities in the climates during the Winter, Cleveland is not anything like Antarctica for crying out loud. Has it lost people, yes. But the city itself still has 400,000+ and the metropolitan area has a couple to a few million depending on your definition of 'metropolitan'. To insinuate that there is no one to evangelize to is ludicrious. I am very very glad that Sts. Cyril and Methodius didn't share your thoughts on evangelization. St. Francis Xavier thought differently as well, and St. Paul might disagree too. Monomakh
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There are people to evangelize--just fewer and fewer of them every day. Most of your people do not live where your older churches are located. You need a nucleus of committed faithful not only to evangelize, but just to keep the parish running.
Comparisons with Saints Cyril and Methodius are invidious and inappropriate. They were moving into virgin territory, and did not have any infrastructure to maintain. it also helps if you can get the Prince of Great Moravia to sponsor and fund your mission, and then order his people to march down to the nearest river for baptism.
Similarly, Saint Paul was starting anew--he refused to plow in another man's field--and all he needed to evangelize was a place for people to hear his voice.
Now, if you accept that standard, then you shouldn't be too worried about losing buildings, because they are just things of this world. You could sell them all, then take the proceeds and put it into missionary activities. But, if you are going to insist on keeping the White Elephants, then own up to the reality of what they cost you. Nothing comes for free. With the building comes a commitment to evangelization in a specific neighborhood, which might not be conducive to your brand of evangelization. Better to go to a fresh field, and sow new seeds.
By the way, if anything, I understated the rate at which Cleveland and its metropolitan area is shrinking. The pace seems to have accelerated since the last study was done using 2006 data.
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Well, one might (just as an example) try to construct a mailing list and print a directory of former parishioners who have moved away and now go to Church in another parish. I suspect that this would have two results:
a) the people would be grateful, because many will have lost touch with friends, or even relatives, and will like to be in touch with them again, ad
b) a not-too-blatant fund appeal to keep Holy Ghost functioning will reach a favorable response.
This is only one of many techniques; it can be done.
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It might work. But what would be the function of the church? Certainly, with only a handful of regular worshipers it could not be a parish. Perhaps it can be made into a shrine or pilgrimage site, or a pro-Cathedral, which would not require a regular pastor.
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Knowing as I do neither the Church nor the vicinity I can't offer an informed opinion of how the Church might serve in the future. But that's not likely to be an insoluble problem.
Fr. Serge
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