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In the pre-revolutionary Europe schools were run by the Church, without any vouchers or state surveillance. But no modern state would allow the Church to act so freely, I guess.

The Irish Reform Schools for were running well in to the 20th century.

This article captures the outrage that I presumed would occur.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20091103/wl_csm/ocrucefix

Alexis

The moral damages awarded to the woman are ridiculous. All part of the culture of outrage though.

And to think that there are those who cannot understand why I always vote against the EU!

Fr. Serge

Three cheers for Vaclav Klaus!

One thing I'm considering is maybe I'm looking at this through the prism of being American, and not recognizing Italy is not America.

Ah, but I think, Father, that there may be ways of holding the same theological viewpoint and seeing the EU as an advantage.

I, for one, am simultaneously pleased with the Czech government for hesitating, and yet finally signing on. Cautious, thoughtful cooperation seems to me to be a helpful way forward.

I certainly balk at the Euroscepticism of UKIP here in Britain. Their sense of history extends only as far as WWII, and their social awareness no further than the Cotswalds.

I have just come back and re-read what I wrote, and it comes across as terribly smug. Sorry about that.

Do feel free to agree or disagree with the point I tried to make though.

There is something good in this:

That the Cross of Christ is so powerful! or else why fear His influence? Makes me reconsider how much i am aware of this reality!

And another to think of is what Christ said: A city on a hill cannot be hidden...

Besides... If this mom goes in the logic of that she doesnt want to influence then there must be a borad in each classroom with all symbols... see i would go to the judge and say well my kids are only exposed to religion-free and i want them to be well educated and know about all...

The sad thing is that in the name of freedom they want to break peace and they want to 're-culture' the world... more like toremodule the identity in an image they think is an ideal... Doing worse then impose a religion... i don't know if i make sense...

Source: www.catholicnewsagency.com [catholicnewsagency.com]

Italy�s Minister of Education, Mariastella Gelmini, has rejected the ruling by the European Court of Human Rights in favor of removing crucifixes from public schools. She stated, �Nobody, much less a European court that is steeped in ideology, will be allowed to strip our identity away.�

In Philippians 3 we read: "Unfortunately, many go about in a way which shows them to be enemies of the cross of Christ...such as these will end in disaster! Their god is their belly and their glory is in their shame. I am talking about those who are set upon the things of this world."

May the Lord save everyone from such a fate.

Good for her!!!!! Someone with a backbone!!!!!

Well, in fact if you read the reports, as someone put it, Italian politicians all over (ranging from left to right) are tripping over each other denouncing the ruling.

Alexis

Declaring the European Court Of Human Rights' decision to be null and void on the basis that Italy is a sovereign nation would be a good next step.

Then other questions about EU's authority would naturally come into play.