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I am wondering how many Eastern Catholics on this site consider themselves to be Zoghbyists?

(meaning those who identify with the ecumenical views of the late Most Reverend Elias Zoghby).

Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
-- 1 Corinthians 1:10-13

Forgive me for not answering your question, but this passage was my immediate response.

I consider myself a semi-Zoghbyist...

I am one too. And I'm not shy abt it.

I'm happy to identify myself as a Ratzingerian: "Rome must not require more from the East with respect to the doctrine of primacy than had been formulated and was lived in the first millennium."

Oui, nous somme tous Zoghbyistes! D'accord et LOL!

Fr Kimel (Bless!)
can you give me the reference for that excellent quote from the Pope? thank you and kissing your right hand!

He said it twice, in fact: Once, in a 1976 address at the University of Graz; then again in his book, Principles of Catholic Theology (1985), which is published by Ignatius Press.

The second half of his statement does not get as much play, but he also insists that the Orthodox have to admit the legitimacy of theological developments within the Latin Church that do not contradict the Apostolic Tradition. In short, Latins should be Latins, and Greeks should be Greeks. Hey, wait a minute! Wasn't this what was decided at the Second Photian Synod of 879-880? Sheesh! That was one long digression we made afterwards!

The Ratzinger quotation is from his book Principles of Catholic Theology, p. 199. The relevant paragraphs can be found HERE [wanweihsien.wordpress.com] .

That is an EXCELLENT document!
Thank you Fr K!

I also like his Holiness' "plan"/"proposal" for reunion:

"Reunion could take place in this context if, on the one hand, the East would cease to oppose as heretical the developments that took place in the West in the second millennium and would accept the Catholic Church as legitimate and orthodox in the form she had acquired in the course of that development, while, on the other hand, the West would recognize the Church of the East as orthodox and legitimate in the form she has always had."

and his analysis of the present likelihood of reunion has a lot of merit:

"from a theological perspective, the union of the Churches of East and West is fundamentally possible, but the spiritual preparation is not yet sufficiently far advanced and, therefore, not yet ready in practice."

so close, yet so far (so sad)

(by the way, interesting blog site - is he a poster here? Aren't some posters from Malaysia?)

Because too many people are still only interested in "winning".

Great quote! I too consider myself a semi-Zoghbyist.

Moi aussi, et j'en suis content.

I subscribe to the initiative of Mar Elias of Eternal Memory.

I believe everything which Eastern Orthodoxy teaches.

I am also in communion with Rome as the first among the bishops,
according to the limits recognized by the Holy Fathers of the East
during the first millennium, before the separation.

If that makes me a Zoghbyist, then I guess I am - and so is the synod of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church. My only alternative is to leave said Church and either complain about "schismatic Melkites" as a member of another local Church in union with Rome, or to become Orthodox.