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What is the little script in the bottom right hand corner that looks almost like "Повертайтеся додому"?

Alexandr

Solved the red line thing

It's a very very fine red line outlining the various boxes - Newest members, Who's online etc down the left hand side BUT strangely enough it's only on 2 sides of each box - top and L hand side . It also applies to the post and reply boxes - again top and left hand side.

None of these red lines are on the right hand side at all .

I can't see what Alexandr is seeing in the bottom right hand corner

Since I can not get the right hand side no matter what I try with this forum. I am on seven other sites all of them with the same pixel and no problems. I can not help you on what is on the right.

LOL If I minimize my Window and then move everything to the left I can then read the complete posts. If I mazamize my window no matter what I do I don't get the full right side. Is someone telling me to "go to the left"?

I'm viewing it with Firefox on Vista and have absolutely no problems at all. I do see the split in the banner, but I have encountered none of the other problems others have described.

And I love the banner.

I am running Linux Mint 7 and using the Firefox web browser version 3.0.14 on my PC.

The banner at the top of the page is a lighter shade of blue than the bottom. Looks nice, no problems here on my PC.

Also, I am using a wide screen monitor. Will check out the web page on my wife's Windows XP laptop.

In Christ:
Einar

Looks just fine on the Windows XP laptop using Firefox. The machine has a 12 inch screen.

In Christ:
Converted Viking

Just seems strange to me that on the main site the full page shows with no problems. But my only problem is in the forum. I can make do but wish it would work better for me.

The banner on the byzcath.org home page and here on the Forum are both the same size. Not sure why they would display differently. Try right clicking over it and viewing the image (most browsers all this).

Yes, the colors will vary slightly from monitor to monitor. Those who have it run off at the right either have older monitors or a display setting that is less then 1,000 pixels wide.

Now I see the red lines - missed them before or never noticed that they were red - they are very fine, as Anhelyna notes.

The reason that they appear on only 2 sides is that they are coded that way - to give somewhat of a shadow box/perspective effect that sets them off. You can see a more pronounced example on the Directory - see, for instance this entry where I used the same technique (but more prounced) on the top and right sides of the e-mail and website buttons to that which the site designer (not me) used here.

As to the 'text' of which Alexandr speaks, I can't find it - more detail, my brother?

Many years,

Neil

Hmmmph! Revised divine forum - RDF. Will there be silence about it or will the dissenters never stop talking? Inquiring minds want to know. I think I will have some chocolate and ponder it all - briefly. Change is hard for us easterners.

If you call us dissenters then you obviously know nothing about Liturgy, or the directives given by the Vatican to restore (not reform), to translate faithfully (and not reword to change meaning). Anyone who reads the Liturgical Instruction, Liturgiam Authenticam and the other documents can see at once that it is the Ruthenian bishops who are in disobedience. We who support the Divine Liturgy as promulgated by Rome are the rough equivalent of the Latin Catholics who seek accurate translations of their Mass. Spend some time reading Pope Benedict XVI (including his writings when he was Cardinal Ratzinger) and you'll see for yourself.

As to how long the RDL forum will stay up? Until the full Liturgy is permitted. Until the texts are corrected to be accurate. Until good music is allowed. The Latins have had to work for that since the Vatican II reform was hijacked. I don't think we will have to wait that long.

That was all written rather tongue in cheek. I do wonder about all that. The Latins have been wandering in a liturgical desert for what, 40+ years? Bishops and their successors can be really stubborn. Is it possible many of us will never live to see the liturgy changed? That happened to many Latins I know. They didn't last long enough to benefit from Pope Benedict's restoration of the ancient liturgy. In my area, we have a small Ruthenian mission and a Ukrainian mission. The numbers are too small to tell whether the RDL had any effect on the Ruthenian mission. Possibly, no one in authority is making any attempt to get statistics. I find the music to be one of the lesser problems. It was never great to begin with. Time will tell, but as I implied, bishops can be very resistant to change - that is, unless they originate it. In any event, we are so small that we are probably not even registering on Rome's radar.

Thanks for the clarification.

Given Pope Benedict's firm support for those Latins who seek what is now called the "Extraordinary Rite" (the Missal of Pope John XXIII) and his firm support for the corrected translations in the Latin Church, I have no doubt that he will rule in favor of those who seek access to the official and normative Divine Liturgy of the Ruthenian Recension. Appeals, however, take time and Rome is never quick about anything. [I always laugh and remember the story of someone asking (now Blessed) Pope John XXIII about how many people worked in the Vatican, to which he had replied: "About half of them."]

But there are a number of factors in our favor. Only one bishop really supported the RDL - Bishop Andrew Pataki. He cajoled the others into supporting and all of them regret it. [Anyone who knows Bishop Pataki knows that he felt the way for our Church to survive is to be different from other Byzantines, so that we could never be merged with them.] Plus, each generation of bishops seems to imitate the Latins in a new way. It is very possible for this to be a good imitation - that of fidelity to one's own Liturgy. The Latins are now realizing that a lot of what occurred in their Church after Vatican II was not that authorized by the Council. I think at least some of the Ruthenian bishops now realize that what didn't work for the Latins will not work for them.

As far as the music, the less one knows Ruthenian chant the less the new music bothers them. That's understandable. But the larger point here is this. Think of Midnight Mass in your RC parish. Think of the issues that would arise if you passed out new words and new music to "O Come All Ye Faithful", words and music that both were just slightly different. The reaction would not be favorable! The old music was far from perfect, but it was and remains memorized. It is immoral to ask a people to relearn something for no reason at all save that someone that was hired felt that it was not close enough to the music in a particular parish published over 100 years ago.

The bishops created a bad situation in the Church and hurt lots of people. They can - and should - correct the mess they made. Ironically, it would not take a great deal of work and involves only the printing of new, corrected books. It could all be done in a few months.

Pray!

Although Byzantine, I work as Director of Music/Organist in a RC parish. I am involved in attempting to get our music to conform to what Pope Benedict has said he wants for sacred music. The Pope has said it is time to put the music of the 70s behind us, but it's going to take years and has to be done very slowly. Unfortunately, those "show tunes" are all many people know.

Perhaps off line, someone can explain to me how one bishop had, and continued to have after retirement, that much influence.