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I should also note that in a typical year, some 30,000 people die of seasonal flu. H1N1 deaths are likely to top out below 5000, so I apologize for saying 10-to-1, when in reality it is merely 6-to-1 in the United States.

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Given the promulgation of the Motu Proprio on the "Extraordinary" Roman Rite by Benedict XVI, it would appear that any Latin-Rite priest in the Calgary diocese is well within his rights to resist the local bishop's action.

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I wonder how His Nibs intends to enforce his edict. Are there actually episcopal secret police in the pews of every parish? Or does he rely on the tried and true method of stukachi?

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Originally Posted by bkovacs
The Bishop of Calgary, Alberta, has just suspended all activities of the Latin Mass communities in Calgary and Medicine Hat due to a pseudo-scientific and anti-Canonical order mandating the non-reception of the Eucharist on the tongue due to concerns related to the transmission of the Influenza A (H1N1) virus.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/

Byzantine Catholics in Calgary Area may want to invite these Latin Mass communities to their parishes for the Divine Liturgy till this is cleared up by Rome. They won't be happy in modern Roman Rite parishes. This will help!.


I'm not too sure that the Ukrainian Catholic Church in Alberta would be any better, according to comments on from the blog posted above:

"Just a question for those who advise attending the Eastern Rite: I am an Extraordinary Catholic who finds himself 140 miles from the closest Extraordinary Catholic Mass but in the midst of a strong Ukrainian Catholic population (in East Central Alberta).

When I am unable to drive to the Extraordinary Mass I bring my Extraordinary family to the Ukrainian Rite. Recently, the priest announced that as a result of H1N1 the Holy Eucharist would be distributed using "disposable" wooden sticks (like the kind the doctors use when you say "Ahh").

Sadly, I have seen the sticks fall to the floor twice while being replaced on a dish held by the server. Also, I am curious how these sticks will be handled after the Mass given the absorption of the Precious Blood into the wood?


Being an Extraordinary Catholic, I am not familiar with the history of Eastern Liturgical practice and would be grateful for any clarification on this modification.

I am grateful for having this opportunity to experience the beautiful liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. Perhaps the Saint might have some famous quotation that could shed some light on the Bishop Henry situation "

I just have to laugh...people labelling themselves as "Extraordinary Catholics?" As if there aren't enough factions and divisions already, we now get a new self proclaimed one, seemingly sanctioned by papal writ? Scary if this catches on.

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Hi,

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I just have to laugh...people labelling themselves as "Extraordinary Catholics?" As if there aren't enough factions and divisions already, we now get a new self proclaimed one, seemingly sanctioned by papal writ? Scary if this catches on.


And EXACTLY THAT is why I said, have said and will keep keep saying that the way HH Pope Benedict opened up the use of the "extraordinary" form of the Roman Rite will probably go down in history as one of the worst mistakes of his pontificate.

It is NOT healing a declared schisim is creating and perpetuating an undeclared one.

Shalom,
Memo (probably one of the most ordinary Catholics in the world, thanks be to God)

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Originally Posted by StuartK
I should also note that in a typical year, some 30,000 people die of seasonal flu. H1N1 deaths are likely to top out below 5000, so I apologize for saying 10-to-1, when in reality it is merely 6-to-1 in the United States.


I really wasn't quibbling so much with the death statistics as with the assertion that far fewer people have gotten H1N1 than the seasonal flu. I have looked briefly and haven't been able to find actual statistics for that, and you didn't provide any. I really have no idea. I just know that in my life, among my friends, family and acquaintances, H1N1 has been much more prevalent than the seasonal flu typically is.

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That's because they are out of phase. H1N1 began in advance of the seasonal flu season, and is now abating as the seasonal flu period begins. Think of it as two waves, and what we will get this year is two flu seasons as opposed to one.

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I get that (2 flu seasons). I think it is too early to say that far fewer people will get H1N1 than seasonal flu. I do think that it is clear that H1N1 was a dud in terms of its intensity, but the evidence in my life shows

Of course, H1N1 has been pretty well contained within the calendar year, but seasonal flu spans January 1.

This is one of my favorite (and most informative) videos on the subject.

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There are certainly a lot of asymptomatic cases, though just how many we don't know, because actual testing for H1N1 has been, shall we say, spotty at best?

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I'm not sure what is going on, but I would be loathe to criticize Bishop Henry.

He is one of the most orthodox, dynamic, brave, outspoken bishops of the Latin hierarchy in Canada.

I would tend to very much give him the benefit of the doubt and want to get his side of the story.

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Well, the ban has been lifted.

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/12/calgary-communion-controversy-concluded/

This would seem to be inevitable. That ban was bound to be short-lived.

Deo gratias!

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Originally Posted by Memo Rodriguez
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And EXACTLY THAT is why I said, have said and will keep keep saying that the way HH Pope Benedict opened up the use of the "extraordinary" form of the Roman Rite will probably go down in history as one of the worst mistakes of his pontificate.

It is NOT healing a declared schisim is creating and perpetuating an undeclared one.
The irony is that their schism was open and visible disbedience, and forming into a hierarchy whence excommunicated. That's about textbook for the definition of schism.

The SSPX are also right on the border of violations of CIC canons 1365 (celebrating the sacraments whilst suspended), 1373 (incitement of animosity to the Holy See), 1378§2°2 (giving absolution without faculties), 1383 (Bishops ordaining individuals not their subject without letters of permission from that man's bishop).

Essentially, the SSPX have usurped the status of a sui iuris church and are demanding to be treated as one.

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Good news regarding the Calgary situation ! As for those who dislike the Extraordinary Rite and Pope Benedict's choice to tend those sheep who cherish it...no comment yet, it's Advent

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Originally Posted by Amadeus
Dear Stuart:

Your description of the Pope as a "constitutional monarch" comes close to reality but not close enough.

The Queen of Britain (and other constitutional monarchs like the Emperor of Japan and the King of Thailand) now do not hold any executive, legislative, and/or judicial powers. Their respective positions are merely ceremonial.

That is not correct. The Queen of those countries that make up the United Kingdom, as well as the countries of the Commonwealth that maintain constitutional monarchies, continues to hold precisely the powers that StuartK has described. Whether those powers are undertaken by her representatives (Governors General), or by her own hand, they are still very real. Prime Ministers must still ask to have parliaments dissolved, and legislation that gets passed by the HoP must still be signed into law by HM.

In fact, I have read no more accurate summary of the constitutional monarchy than that set out by StuartK, and no more concise description of Papal power than the same.

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Originally Posted by Memo Rodriguez
... the way HH Pope Benedict opened up the use of the "extraordinary" form of the Roman Rite will probably go down in history as one of the worst mistakes of his pontificate.

It is NOT healing a declared schisim is creating and perpetuating an undeclared one.
Memo,

So, you're saying the TLM has NO value to the Church, apart from being a dubious tool to end the SSPX schism?

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