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Dear Friends: To those who are following Bl. Escriva's elevation to sainthood, OPUS DEI's founder will be canonized this Sunday, October 6, 2002. The full story is at: http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=25914 Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam!
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Dear Amado,
Is there a Byzantine branch of Opus?
If there was, that would make it a real piece of work . . .
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Dear Alex: I was hoping that there was/is. For the "Work of God" should be undertaken by all, including by the East!  AmdG
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Dear Amado,
Well, one way of making the link is to see "Opus Dei" or the "Work of God" as St Benedict's understanding of the Horologion.
And St Benedict is honoured in the East as well etc.
You say I'm stretching things? Really?
O.K. I'll be quiet!
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...the "Work of God" should be undertaken by all, including by the East! Oh, please, dear Amado Guerrero, you are wrong: the Gospel and the Salvation of Our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ must be undertaken by all!!! Please, do not call this organization the "Work of God" (if you are member of the O.D. I am very sorry for you I just can say that i will pray for you), I do not know any other "Work of God" than the Salvation of our souls. Jose Maria Escriva de Balager, may the Lord have mercy of his soul,wrote his work "Camino" during Spanish Civil War, that book is plenty of fascist ideology. They will destroy the Church if we allow them. Why do not you ask our Ukranian friends abot the responsability of the O.D. in the organization of seminaries in Poland for the conversion of the Ukranians and Russians in the 90's where candidates for priesthood were ordained after just few months of preparation. Why do not you ask about the "Work of God" those couples that got separated after one of the members entered in the O.D. Why do not you ask some Spanish friends about the presence of O. D. at the University (they have a University even in Moscow), in the finances and among Spanish politicians? They are the power in the shadow, in the Vatican, as well. They gave a lot of "spiritual" suport to the pope...who now tries to pay their favours. When J. M. E . V. was proclaimed "beatus", the pope allowed O. D. bishops (prelaturae personales was something the Vatican created for the O.D.) to celebrate mass in Saint Peter's suare, that was the first time somethink like that happened in a beatification. They are the power of the money, and a Christian can not serve two Lords...
I keep praying according to the methods of Gregory Palamas and his friends of the Holy Mountain so that the canonization of Jose Maria Escriva de Balaguer will never have take place... "Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy of thy Church", "Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy of thy Church", "Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy of thy Church"...
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Dear Francisco,
So the Catholic Church, in canonizing Escriva, is committing an error?!
What kind of "Catholic" are you anyway?
Are you in union with the Pope - I mean John Paul II?
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Yes I am in communion with the pope, but, as far as I know, Escriva was not a "heretic" (he was?), what i mean it is that he was not so good person. Time ago Latin theologians had a doubt: is the canonization part of Pope's infability? Well, after Jose Maria's canonization, no serious Latin theologian will have any kind of doubt: Canonization is not part of pope's infability.
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Originally posted by Francisco:
Yes I am in communion with the pope, but, as far as I know, Escriva was not a "heretic" (he was?), what i mean it is that he was not so good person. Time ago Latin theologians had a doubt: is the canonization part of Pope's infability? Well, after Jose Maria's canonization, no serious Latin theologian will have any kind of doubt: Canonization is not part of pope's infability. I believe that canonization are part of infalibility. As for your vague attacks, they are not welcome here, you might get away with this sort of crud elsewhere, but not there. Why don't you try to provide some proof of your claims. David
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Francisco,
Que va! Can you support your claims? I think Opus Dei gets a bad rap by liberals.
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Dear Francisco,
Canonization definitely IS part of the charism of papal infallibility!
After this Sunday, you may find that you'll be looking into joining that schismatic group whose "pope" canonized Franco and Christopher Columbus!
You don't seem to respect the canonizations of any Church, do you?
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Originally posted by Francisco:
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I keep praying according to the methods of Gregory Palamas and his friends of the Holy Mountain so that the canonization of Jose Maria Escriva de Balaguer will never have take place... "Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy of thy Church", "Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy of thy Church", "Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy of thy Church"...[/QB] Let the Church say "AMIN!!!!" 
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Mi amigo Francisco: 1o: No es miembro de OPUS DEI. 2o: Tu es un Espanol muy brusquo. 3o: Soy Catolico (Romano): no es liberal o tradicionalista; ordinario Catolico no mas. Hay, caramba! 
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Dear Brian,
Did you say something?
I distinctly thought you did . . .
You are a convert to Orthodoxy, are you?
You are therefore in full support of the canonization of the Romanov Family, correct?
I mean, you don't have a problem with it, right?
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Here I have to agree with you. I am sure that Mgr. Escriv� always had the best intentions and his work about the path of holliness (his book "Camino") is one of the best books about how the simple man can get closer to God.
But unfortunately, the Opus Dei now, has become a different thing. I've heard horrible stories of people who were members of the Opus Dei (stories of exploitation, fraud, and un-human work).
It's impossible to ignore that the Opus Dei has become very powerful in the Catholic Church. It's thought that John Paul II, when he granted the Opus Dei the status of a Personal Prelature, it was because the Opus was was getting out of control (and it is still very powerful).
About Mgr. Escriv�, it's important to say that some of his radical teachings (against religious liberty, liberalism, socialism, etc.) were a result of his life and what he saw during the comunist occupation of Spain before Franco's victory in the civil war.
However, Escriv� himself visited Mexico City in 1970, and Havana, Cuba, where he praised the labour of the government and started some projects (the construction of a seminary in Matanzas with the aid of the government, for example).
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Originally posted by Remie:
But unfortunately, the Opus Dei now, has become a different thing. I've heard horrible stories of people who were members of the Opus Dei (stories of exploitation, fraud, and un-human work).
It's impossible to ignore that the Opus Dei has become very powerful in the Catholic Church. It's thought that John Paul II, when he granted the Opus Dei the status of a Personal Prelature, it was because the Opus was was getting out of control (and it is still very powerful).
Again, I wish to say that this forum, please forgive me if I am over stepping my bounds here Admin, is not the place for vague attacks or innuendo. If you have issues, I suggest you take them up with your bishop and Opus Dei. If you have "heard" things, I suggest that you keep them to yourself as they are anecdotal and hear say with no proveable facts to back them up. If you have names, dates, facts, then I suggest that you post them. David
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