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Please send me your e-mail and will forward some scanned excerpts. It would be wonderful if a draft of his "History" survived!
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Dn. Robert:
Thank you very much for the addtional information and any other pieces of the puzzle you may be able to provide in the future.
As I stated earlier, it appears as though once Rome ended married priesthood as a vocation, the extended family made medicine and education it's primary "soup de jour".
Regards,
Debi And now, married priesthood is back. Bishop John of Parma has ordained a few American-born married guys, and all of our Bishops are accepting married priests from the "old country". Dn Robert
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Dn. Robert:
This is wonderful news!
Please excuse my ignorance, but what does Rome have to say about this? Is this with their consent?
It seems as though the only way the Vatican would ever approve of these arrangements is with an ironclad sort of "prenuptual" making certain the heirs receive nothing upon the death of the priest.
This has always been the true issue in the celibacy vs marriage issue. How are the financial interests of the Church being satisfied with these marriages?
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Debi
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Debi,
The issues of possible inheritance were not a major factor in Rome's refusal to allow married clergy to function in the US. (That was really a factor in the long past decision that clergy in the Latin Church would be required to be celibate. Keep in mind that back in the Old Country, married priests continued to common throughout the entire period of upheaval here and through current times.)
The fear of Latin hierarchs that their faithful would be scandalized and that Latin clergy would be disaffected by the presence of married clergy among them were the dominant factors that resulted in Rome's fiats directed at Eastern Catholic clergy in the US.
The original prohibition was directed specifically at the Ruthenians and Ukrainians, but was considered to apply equally to the few other Eastern Churches represented in the US at the time.
For several dacades (back to the 70s) the Melkites sent married men to the Middle East, ordained them and brought them back here to serve, thus bypassing the injunction. As well, the Melkites ordained 3 married men as priests in Canada several decades ago and then brought them back into the US (that caused a stir at the time). Finally, on Christmas Eve in 1996, Bishop John Elya of the Melkites ordained a married man to the priesthood in the US, reasoning that the original edicts had lapsed and not been renewed, that they hadn't applied to the Melkites anyway, and that the then-current Canons seemed to allow it. Rome elected to ignore it and the Melkites have done so ever since.
The Romanians have since also ordained married men in the US and I believe that the Ukrainians have done so, as well. Both of those Churches and the Melkites have also brought married priests from overseas to serve here.
As regards Rome's attitude - who knows.
As Deacon Robert mentioned, Vladyka John has taken the lead on this in the Byzantine Ruthenian Metropolia (which does have a provision in its Particular Law requiring it to obtain permission from Rome to do so). Whether Bishop John has sought and obtained such, I don't know and, if anyone here does, I doubt that they are at liberty to say.
Many years,
Neil
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FYI, re your comment "I'm not a Ruthenian...", I just opened the first page of "Rusin Literature" and the first chapter heading states: ""RUSIN" and NOT RUTHENIAN, RUSSIAN or UKRAINIAN".
It appears as though he was very adamant about that distinction. Debi, LOL. True enough. But, in Father's time, to be Ruthenian was to be Rusin. These days, there are enough non-Rusins among the Ruthenian faithful that the same can't necessarily be said - thus, my choice of terms  Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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^ While I am not an expert, I do not think that the popular American Rusyn publications of the first half of the twentieth century such as the GCU Messenger, the Americansky Rusky Vistnyk and the works of writers like Michael Roman, Fr. Orestes Koman, Fr. John Yurcisin (both in his GCU days and his ACROD days) and Fr. Stephen Varzaly (either in his days as a Greek Catholic priest or a great friend of the Russians later on in his life) etc... used the term "Ruthenian" as a general rule, either in the Rusyn language or in English. The term was always used by Rome to differentiate the Rusyn Greek Catholics from the Ukrainian Greek Catholics and is muddled in the 'ethnic'/national identity issues faced by Carpatho-Russians/Rusyns/Rusins....over the years.
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^ While I am not an expert, I do not think that the popular American Rusyn publications of the first half of the twentieth century such as the GCU Messenger, the Americansky Rusky Vistnyk and the works of writers like Michael Roman, Fr. Orestes Koman, Fr. John Yurcisin (both in his GCU days and his ACROD days) and Fr. Stephen Varzaly (either in his days as a Greek Catholic priest or a great friend of the Russians later on in his life) etc... used the term "Ruthenian" as a general rule, either in the Rusyn language or in English. The term was always used by Rome to differentiate the Rusyn Greek Catholics from the Ukrainian Greek Catholics and is muddled in the 'ethnic'/national identity issues faced by Carpatho-Russians/Rusyns/Rusins....over the years. To add further to the confusion, the liturgical publication known as the "Ruthenian Rescension" is considered to reflect the traditional liturgical usages of both the Carpatho-Rusyns, and the Ukrainians of Halych. For that purpose, "Ruthenian"= "Rusyn" and "Galician". Dn Robert
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^ Indeed, that terminology was the cause of the second set of problems Rome faced with her American Greek Catholics (the first being the St. Alexis and Arch. Ireland toe to toe) when they sent one Bishop to serve both communities, Bishop Soter Ortynsky of blessed memory - the Bishop who consecrated my own Church, St. Michael's of Binghamton - Orthodox since 1937 or so....
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I amso proud to have know Fr.Hanulya...my mother cooked and cleaned the rectory. Elizabeth Kassimer. My twin brother and I ,Michael and Barbara Kassimer will always cherish Holy Ghost church. The memories are there. I am trying to find out things about the church and people. The picture of Father in the 1959 StNicholis class from school, who are the other two priests sitting there? If anyone knows .thank you
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Deborah, Welcome to the forum. The book you are seeking is, I believe, Historical Mirror: Greek Rite Catholics 1884-1963 by Rev. John Slivka. The full text of it is available and readable on-line here [archive.org]. An actual paper copy, last time I saw onr on-line, was running about $175 and, from the description, its condition would be described as 'fair'. Not knowing what info you may already have, I apologize in advance for any repetiton. Father Joseph Hanulya, of blessed memory, was particularly prominent in the history of the Greek-Catholic Church and the Carpatho-Rusin community in Cleveland. He pastored Holy Ghost Byzantine Catholic Church there until his retirement in 1953. I believe that he remained there, in residence, until his repose in 1962. (Interestingly, Holy Ghost was founded by your other great-grandfather, Father Emil Burik, of blessed memory). Holy Ghost, regretably, was suppressed in Nov 2009. You can see photos of it at our Directory entry and a history of it here [tremonthistory.com]Exactly when he was first assigned to Holy Ghost is a bit harder to nail down. I've seen him listed as arriving there in either 1908 or 1918 [freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com]. From 1921-1924*, he was at St Gregory the Theologian Greek Catholic Church [freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com], 2037 Quail St, Lakewood, OH. Father Joseph was instrumental in establishment of the Rusin Cultural Garden [culturalgardens.org], erected in 1939. It is one of 20 such gardens dedicated to ethnic groups prominent in Cleveland and if you use the garden as a search term in either Yahoo or Google you will inevitably find mention of him. There's a biographical entry [ech.case.edu] on him in the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History, which is available on-line. He's also prominently mentioned in the encyclopdia's entry on Byzantine Rite Catholics [ech.case.edu]. The biographical entry provides his dates of birth, marriage, ordination, immigration, and death. It also indicates the village in which he was born and names your great-great grandparents, his wife - your great-grandmother, one of your grandparents, and those who would be your grandaunts and granduncles. He served parishes in PA before his arrival in OH, one being Ss Peter & Paul in Duquesne - another being in Allegheny, possibly also at St Nicholas in McKeesport. He was very involved in the fight to obtain a Greek Catholic bishop in the US and also in the battle against Rome's imposition of a celibacy requirement for Greek Catholic priests in the US. He authored more than a dozen books - several of which were texts for use in the parish school. You can find information on some of them here [carpatho-rusyn.org] and if you search his name at www.alibris.com [ alibris.com] , www.abebooks.com [ abebooks.com] , or www.amazon.com [ amazon.com] , you will find a few of his books available for purchase from used booksellers - one on Rusyn literature, one on Rusyn ritual. Father Joseph and Matushka Mary are buried at Holy Spirit Byzantine Cemetery [holyspiritbyzantine.org] in Cleveland. Father Emil Burik, of blessed memory, was pastor of St John the Baptist Greek Catholic Church [tremonthistory.com] in Cleveland from 1906 to 1908. In 1907, he was present at a meeting to plan a welcoming for Bishop Soter Ortinsky, the first Greek-Catholic bishop sent to the US and in 1908 both he and Father Joseph were signatories to a letter of protest sent to Rome by the Greek-Catholic clergy in the US. In 1909, he founded Holy Ghost and served there until 1913 when he became the first pastor of the new Ss Peter & Paul Greek-Catholic Church in Erie, PA [archeparchy.org], where he remained a year. In 1919, he became pastor of St John the Baptist Greek Catholic Church in Bayonne, NJ, where he remained until 1920 or 1921 and oversaw the construction of a new temple. *From 1921-1924, he was back at Holy Ghost in Cleveland, while Father Joseph was at St Gregory the Theologian in Lakewood. He reposed in 1943, when his obituary [hudsoncountynjgenealogy.org] appeared in a Bayonne, NJ, newspaper. Where he was assigned in the 2 decades from 1924 to 1943, I don't know. Many years, Neil Hi, Neil.... Please forgive my using your fine post to introduce myself. I am brand-spanking-new to the Forum and hope I am able to learn much concerning my own roots in the Bayonne Community. The reason I chose your post was because of the coincidence of working on my family's relationship with St John the Baptist Greek Catholic Church in Bayonne. May great-grand-father, Andrew Zsidisin was a pillar of that Church community as cited in his obituary in 1941. His daughter married Michael Sim, whose son---Michael-- was my father. But the only reason I am taking you for this brisk walk down Memory Lane is that I have a 1st Communion picture----probably of my Aunt Olga---- about 1932-ish--- with the entire 1st Communion class standing on the steps in front of St John's. If someone could coach an old man who is technologically challenged, I would love to post the picture here as a "welcome gift" of sorts? Help?  Best Wishes, Bruce
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To everyone out there:
My name is Philip Emil Burik. I am a retired educator
living in Long Beach, Calif. I was born in Scranton, Pa.
9/3/34 (77) and have 5 children (3 boys/2 girls). My Mom
was Martha (daughter of Rev. Hanulya) and Dad was the son
of Rev. Burik ( the Bayonne Burik). I believe my Dad's Dad
was related to the "Forest City, Pa. clans Dad". All the
Forest City clan is now deceased. My Dad was a D.D.S. He
died in 75 at the age of 72. My Mom died 9 yrs. ago at the
age of 96. I had 1 brother (Nicholas---a San Francisco M.D.)
who passed away 6 yrs. ago.He left behind a wife, a son and
2 daughters. Rev. Hanulya had 5 children ( my Mom, Alice(who
lived at the H.G. parish house in Cleve.), Mary (from
Youngstown), Mitchell and Joseph. Rev. Burik had 3 children
(my Dad, his brother Paul ( D.D.S.) and sister Ann ( married
to Rev. Jackanich (of Youngstown) who died at 100. All are
deceased.
I went to Scranton 2 yrs. ago to visit the house I was
raised in until I went in the Marine Corp in 53. Our church
(St. John's) across the street is not full-time anymore.I
can remember taking piano lessons as a kid from Rev.
Ladomersky's daughter. Rev. Kostival was the last G.Cath.
priest I remembered.
2 Yrs. ago we visited my Grandpa's Bayonne church. The
parish house is new ---but I can remember running around the
old one at 8 or 9. I can remember everyone clustered around
Grandpa when he died in the upstairs bedroom (we were'nt
allowed to go upstairs to see what was happening).
2 or 3 x a yr. we would drive or take the Pullman to
Cleve. Grandpa. I could'nt wait to ride the bike around the
yard, play Pinocle with my Dad and Grandpa, go see the
Indians play and run aroud the huge parish house.
Since I only came on the scene in 34, my only
recollections are of Bayonne and Cleve. When the G.Cath.
priests started to come here in the 6's,8's,10's, it seems
they were all over the place (from Jersey to Chi.). I knew my
Mom was born in Duquesne---but my Dad never told me where he was
born ( however he spoke Rusyn and Hungarian. He came here at 5.
My cousin Joe ( who also lives in Long Beach) Alice's son
told me yesterday that he has the books written by the Cleve. Grandpa. I want to read them. I was stunned to learn that my
Bayonne Grandpa was in Cleve. before the Cleve. Grandpa! The names of the priests that have been mentioned in the info my
oldest daughter has garnered thus far I'm familiar with because
Mom + Dad knew all of them and talked about them from time to time. It seems like all the G.Cath. clergy who came to the U.S.
to build, raise their families, gather the flocks and quickly
assimilate themselves in this new world, all new each other in
Europe-----kind of a "huge clan"!!!! Slowly, I'm trying to learn
more about those "mystery" yrs. between 1906 and the late 20's.
Being that "Joseph" and "Emil" were my Grandpas---I kinda
have a vested interest in 2 individuals who did all they could to
adore Jesus---to spread his "Word"----and to live a life of love
and compassion.
My e-mail is phil1934@hotmail.com----
good luck to all------Phil Burik
(Mod note: anyone wanting to directly correspond or speak with Phil to share additional information relative to his rightfully famous grandfathers, can PM or e-mail him for contact info. As well, it can always be posted here for the edification of all the amateur historians.) Hi, Phil...... I'm working on my Bayonne roots as well and would not mind sharing some of the results I have put together as far as resources go. Bayonne, itself, is a bit of a hard nut to crack, but the Reference librarian, Ted, over at the Newark library is also a genealogist and made a few suggestions. One was that the Jersey City Library seems to be the "go to" place for genealogists as were as curiousity seekers. He also reminded me that for the period of time I am currently working (pre-1930)its best to go to State Archives in Trenton. Ted specifically mentioned "State Archives" as the State Vital Records Dept." charges a hefty fee for copies a person can get from the Archives for much less. BTW: The Bayonne Website has a fun bit attached to it. An individual left his collection of picture postcards of Bayonne to the Historical Society. It was quite a treat to see the Bayonne of decades ago. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce
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Dear Bruce: Since you are a 'newbie' here, I can't send you a private message. I suspect you knew my mom's family from Bayonne, the Dzubacks - Joseph and Maria. My mom was Mary and my aunts were Susan, Anne and Anastasia(Nancy). Only my uncle Joseph is still living. Nancy was the youngest and might have been in your communion class? They left during the 'borba' when the church split in the late 1930's and founded St. Mary's Orthodox Church on W. 30th Street.
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Much thanks...... I had not heard about the Church splitting but such things are not unknown in these traditions, yes? :(
I went ahead and tried to post the picture but to no avail.
Perhaps, in a few weeks, we can PM or maybe start a new thread focusing only on the B C Church in Bayonne. In the meantime I'll take a swing at trying to post the picture over in the Gallery.
Gee.... putting pictures in a Picture Gallery!!
Whooda Thought!! :crazy:
Best Wishes,
Bruce
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Bruce, Welcome to the forum. I see you succeeded in posting successfully to the Photo Gallery - congratulations on that (I can identify with your amazement at accomplishing new things with technology, being a few years older than you ). Hopefully, you'll enjoy your time here. Questions? Just ask, we have any number of folk here with knowledge and expertise - as well as all matter of opinions - on all manner of things, useful and arcane. And we're always happy to share that knowledge and expertise and, certainly, those opinions, asked or not Many years, Neil
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