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What's the meaning of "Moran", term used in the name of the Malankara Catholicós and of their bishops?
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Sounds like its derived from the Syriac Mar or Mor.
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The point is they put "Mor" and "Moran" in the name.
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Philippe,
Michael Thoma may correct me, but I believe the formal translation of the title of the Major Archbishop and Catholicos of the Malankara, Moran Mor Basilios Cleemis, would be:
Our Lord, My Lord Basilios or Our Master, My Lord Basilios.
I think the two titles are only employed in combination in the cases of the Malankara Catholic Catholicos, the Malankara Orthodox Catholicos, and the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch.
Many years,
Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Interesting title, as basilios is obviously derived from the Greek work for "king", later appropriated by the Byzantine emperors from Heraclios onward in place of the Latin "Augustus". It would imply both secular as well as spiritual primacy. Did the relevant patriarchs and catholici serve as secular leaders of their communities, in the same way that the Ecumenical Patriarch was head of the Rhum Milet under the Ottomans?
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Interesting title, as basilios is obviously derived from the Greek work for "king", later appropriated by the Byzantine emperors from Heraclios onward in place of the Latin "Augustus". It would imply both secular as well as spiritual primacy. Did the relevant patriarchs and catholici serve as secular leaders of their communities, in the same way that the Ecumenical Patriarch was head of the Rhum Milet under the Ottomans? I think in this case "Basilios" is simply the bishop's name, not part of his title. Grace and peace, Sbn John
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Subdeacon John is correct. The Catholicos' name is Basilios.
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"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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His name is "Emperor"--how cool is that?
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I don't know if by chance but the name of his predecessor, of eternal memory, was H.B. Cyril Baselios.
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Could it be that it is the Most High Lord Basil. I have no idea what Clemis is. 
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This is how I understand it: Mor (ܡܪܝ Mār) in Syriac means "Lord." Moran (ܡܪܢ Māran) in Syriac means "Our Lord." Thus, the combination Moran Mor means literally "Our Lord, Lord," e.g. "Our Lord, Lord Basil Clement, Catholicos." (Source: Wikipedia [ en.wikipedia.org])
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My Norwegian brother, nice to see you posting - it's been a while. Welcome back.
Many years,
Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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I don't know if by chance but the name of his predecessor, of eternal memory, was H.B. Cyril Baselios I don't think it is other than by chance. HB Cyril (Cyril Mor Baselios Malancharuvil, OIC) was born James Malancharuvil. He took Cyril as his religious name on entering the monastic life; as is the praxis in the Syriac and Malankara Churches, he took another name - Basilios - at his episcopal ordination. His predecessors had as their religious names: Benedict Varghese Mar Gregorios Thangalathil, OIC, (born Varghese Thangalathil) of blessed memory; and, the Servant of God Mar Ivanios Giorgio Tommaso Panickerveetil, OIC (born Geevarghese Panickeruveetil). Of note, however, Mar Ivanios' two immediate predecessors - the two Catholicoi who held office prior to the Malankara entering communion with Rome - were Moran Mor Baselios Paulos I and Moran Mor Baselios Geevarghese I, both of blessed memory. So, it is a popular name, without question. The continuation of a name by the primatial hierarch is not unknown among the Oriental Churches, however. The Armenian Catholic Patriarchs all bear the name Petros; the current Patriarch, HB Nerses Petros XIX Tarmouni, is the 19th of the line since Abraham Petros I Ardzivian was named in the early 18th century. Many years, Neil
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His name is "Emperor"--how cool is that? I think that "Basilios, Basileios" is rather something like "Emperorius", because "king" is "basileus". It's a dignified name anyway, incomparable to e.g. "Vincent" (scent of wine) 
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In other news, Moran is my mother's maiden name.
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