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Liturgy training for Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusan priest [rorate-caeli.blogspot.com]

Great news for Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.

How so? The traditional Eucharistic Liturgy for Catholics, as well as Orthodox, in all three of those countries is the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, not the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Mass. Would that Catholics of those countries would celebrate the traditional Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom without Latinizations.

Mr. Rolfes, clearly the workshop is for Latin clergy in Eastern Europe. You wouldn't tell Byzantine clergy in France that they should celebrate the Roman liturgy would you? The same principle applies here.

J, the advert clearly also states eastern biritual priests are also welcomed... specifically to learn the Latin Rite EF mass for the Latin Rite congregations they serve.

Poland, where this is being held, plus westernmost Ukraine, and parts of Czechoslovakia have had Roman Rite presences for centuries, as have Romania and Russia.

It's actually being held in Vitebsk, Belarus and yes, it does say that biritual clergy are also welcome.

I'm all for folks having access to the so-called Tridentine Mass if that's what they want (it ain't exactly my cup of zapivka but hey! de gustibus non disputandem). The present Holy Father's decision to allow it as the "extraordinary form" of the Latin-rite Mass was a creative response to people who had gotten themselves into canonically irregular situations. I wonder what would have happened back in 1969 when the "novus ordo Missae" was imposed, if at the same time the tridentine Mass had been allowed to compete (so to speak) with it. Just think of all the trouble such approved diversity would have prevented.

Something like the Metropolia of Pittsburgh?




Wasn't the directive English at the most populous liturgy, Slavanonic at the next-most, and by demand after that?

hawk

Sielos,

the pauline missal was 1974... prior, the Trent missal, with translation, was in use. Inconsistently, no less. My earliest memories of the mass are from about 1972-73... Some priests behind the altar, some priests in front, free standing altars in many parishes (we switched parishes in 73 and 74... and 72-73 was on base...).


What would have happened had both been allowed free reign would have been a spectrum of hybridizations...

Hawk: the promulgation letter merely states the new books are the sole ones allowed for the English use of the DL.

St. Nick's hasn't had slavonic liturgies in MANY years; it was usually a mixture; english predominant, with second of 3 in slavonic for most of the tripled prayers.
EG:

Holy God, Holy and Mighty, Holy and Imortal, have mercy on us!
Svatji Bože, Svatji Kripke, Svatji Besmertnij, pomiluj naš!
Holy God, Holy and Mighty, Holy and Imortal, have mercy on us!

Christ is Risen from the dead! By death he conquered death, and to those in the graves, he granted life.
Kristos voskres iz smertvich. Smetiju smert poprav, i suščim vo hrobich, život darovav.
Christ is Risen from the dead! By death he conquered death, and to those in the graves, he granted life.

Do you mean back in the 50's, or the RDL? I'm thinking of the 50's.

hawk

I was thinking 2006...