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#349686 07/01/10 08:42 AM
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Slava Isusu Khrestu

Dear Roman Cathoic members of this forum,

You have great news here for all, and, those in our community. Two young new priests were ordained for the Roman Catholic diocese of Thunder Bay,Ontario Canada on June 4th 2010.
The first, a dear friend, is Father Victor DeGagne and
with him Father Terry Sawchuk.

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I don't mean to fish in troubled waters but of the two newly-ordained Roman Catholic priests one seems to have a Ukrainian name. Shed any light on this?

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Slava Isusu Khrestu

No problem in answering.:)
In the early 1900's when my grandparents came from Ukraine, many went out west to what we call the prarie provinces of Manitoba, Saskachewan, and Alberta were the settled as farmers.

A large number also settled in southern Ontario also as farmers but more settled in the city of Toronto and started an urban lifestyle.

Then there were some like my grandparents who settled in ther region of northwestern Ontario in and around Thunder Bay ( the Old Fort William and Port Arthur)Canada .This area in north of the city of Duluth in Minn.

Those who settled here remained in the city area but others prefered to remain as farmers and located in the surrounding country areas which were on the average of 50 or more miles from Fort William.

That early in the history of our people in Canada, there were no Ukrainian Greek Catholic or Orthodox priests. some Russian Orthodox priests from south of the Canadian border tried to minister to these people but being Russians were not particularly liked. These Greek Catholics were familiar with the Polish Roman Catholic churches from there villages in Ukraine and when a priest came to celebrate Mass they took advantage. That was from 1908 until the first Greek Catholic priests settled here and established the first Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church of the Transfiguration. But trevel in those days was a real problem as you can imagine. As a result after two generations of Roman Catholic help, many of these first arrivals and thier children and grandchildren were for all purposes Roman Catholic.

In addition, in that early time, it was more advantageous to be Polish Roman Catholic than Galician Greek Catholic. Rmember that Galicia was under the Austro-Hungarian Empire at that time and even during WW1, Galicians were interred in prisoner camps here in northwestern Ontario (much like theJapnese of WW11) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!simply because of there situation in the homeland.

So the advantage of being Polish rather than Galician( Ukrainian)!

A homourous note aside.....when many of these early pioneers died, their obituariy indicated Poliah ancestery.....needless to say baba and dido would just shake their heads for most of those individuals came from the same two villages from which baba and dido were born and lived next door and attended the same Greek Catholic church and were godparents for each other.

Father Terry's ( third generation) family falls into much the same situation although, they considered themselves as Ukrainian and not Polish.

The twists and turns that resulted from just where you came from and the family problems created are unbelievable. All I will say is that in our family, my father was disowned frown by his family for simply marrying my mother because she was from the other side of the mountain.

Goodness,:) sounds like the Cawfields and the McCoys ( SPELLINGS?) I just have a hankering for some grits and collerdgreens!! smile

Hope I cleared it up?

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On Sunday the 27th of June I attended an ordination mass for the first time, as I was doing a story on one of the young men who was ordained.
Among the six new priests there was one ukrainian greek-catholic from the Dominican order. When they were presented the priest read out that he would be ordained in the latin rite, by special dispensation from the Congregation of Oriental Churches.
His name is Vasyl Goral.

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Unlike most "special dispensations", that one really is quite rare.

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That reminds me that about 20 yrs ago a Copt was ordained during a Latin ordination ceremony by the Archbishop Of Melbourne, the same way. The same with a Melkite with the Carmelites. The Greek Dominican was able to get ordained by the UGCC Bishop but was still expected to say N.O. Masses.

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Originally Posted by Pavel Ivanovich
That reminds me that about 20 yrs ago a Copt was ordained during a Latin ordination ceremony by the Archbishop Of Melbourne, the same way. The same with a Melkite with the Carmelites. The Greek Dominican was able to get ordained by the UGCC Bishop but was still expected to say N.O. Masses.

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Originally Posted by Pavel Ivanovich
That reminds me that about 20 yrs ago a Copt was ordained during a Latin ordination ceremony by the Archbishop Of Melbourne, the same way. The same with a Melkite with the Carmelites. The Greek Dominican was able to get ordained by the UGCC Bishop but was still expected to say N.O. Masses.

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I think that seems to be the case here right? Fr. Peter Kolvenbach (the immediate past superior-general of the Jesuits) was ordained in the Armenian Rite, but still celebrated N.O. Masses.

We seem to have a few Syro-Malabar priests here in Perth who belong to religious orders i.e. Carmelites and Pallotines and are still parish priests for Latin parishes. Nothing new.

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Father General Peter was indeed ordained to the service of the Armenian Church and given bi-ritual faculties in the Latin Church, as is required of all Jesuits who are ordained in other than the Latin Rite.

There are a lot of Malarbarese clergy serving in Latin parishes, both in India and throughout the West, including significant numbers in the US. Many are members of 'Eastern provinces' of Latin orders, others are secular clergy. The Church's extremely high vocation rate has made it a ready source to meet pastoral needs outside its own territory.

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Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."

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