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Zenovia, In the Russian Synod Abroad, that is still the norm...and they seem to have generally very pious bishops and ones that seem better than most. That practice seems to be the best even now. In Russia and Belarus and Ukraine (Moscow Patriarchate) that is the norm and their bishops are generally very good. Most bishops in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine come from 'Lavra' (Trinity-St. Sergiy Lavra, Zagorsk)...and are simple pious monks, learned and hard working. We should probably return to this practice.

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Prayers for the Church of Greece, that it may be cleansed of the scandals that beset it presently and that the faithful and pious clergy and hierarchs of the Church are not tainted by unworthy actions of a few.


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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From the Macedonian Press Agency (http://www.mpa.gr/article.html?doc_id=509543)

INVESTIGATION ON THE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST THEOKLITOS
Athens, 8 February 2005 (13:31 UTC+2)


The Church of Greece Holy Synod decided in favor of the appointment of a special examiner to undertake the investigation on immorality accusations targeting Metropolite Theoklitos of Thessaliotida.

In its meeting today the Holy Synod examined the accusations made against him and the written explanations he submitted characterizing them as unfounded.

Also, the issue concerning the interventions made during the election of Patriarch Erineos of Jerusalem has surfaced again.

Meanwhile, Piraeus Prosecutor Grigoris Peponis proposed the detention of Archimandrite Iakovos Giosakis accused of being involved in an antiquities smuggling case in the island of Kythera.

Ruling party of New Democracy Euro-deputy Yiannis Varvitsiotis backed the Church and State separation.

From Kathimerini (http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100002_09/02/2005_52766)

PM urges clerics and judiciary to clean up act
Archbishop denies links to wanted man
The government will support the purge of corrupt officials in the Church and the judiciary without intervening directly and causing divisions between Church and State, the prime minister said yesterday as a seventh judge is set to face disciplinary measures and the head of the Church of Greece denied links to a known drug dealer.

Costas Karamanlis said the Church had to engage in bold decisions to rid itself of corruption and should not make any compromises. �In the last few days, allegations and revelations have come to light which cast a shadow on the top institutions in our democracy and society. Deep-rooted phenomena of corruption have been revealed,� said the premier.

Alternate government spokesman Evangelos Antonaros said that the Karamanlis administration was not examining the possibility of a separation between the Church and State or of a constitutional revision. However, PASOK leader George Papandreou indicated that he felt the need for such a separation, as did leader of Left Coalition Synaspismos Alekos Alavanos.

The Holy Synod, the ruling body of the Church of Greece, convened again yesterday and banned clerics from appearing in public discussions. The panel also decided to investigate allegations of drug-dealing against Theoklitos, Bishop of Thessaliotis, further. The Synod accepted written explanations submitted by Theoklitos on the eve of yesterday�s hearing and questioned the reliability of the accusations made by a former Bishop of Thessaliotis, Constantinos, who was eventually suspended.

However, Theoklitos himself asked for the case to be looked into in more detail. Panteleimon, Bishop of Xanthi, has been put in charge of the probe.

Archbishop Christodoulos, meanwhile, issued a statement denying press reports that he had sent a man called Apostolos Vavilis as a special envoy to oversee the election for archbishop of Jerusalem in 2001. Vavilis is a convicted drug dealer and police informant who is currently being hunted by Interpol and is thought to have traveled to Jerusalem on a forged passport, going by the name of Apostolos Fokas.

A Piraeus court yesterday remanded Archimandrite Iakovos Yiossakis, the priest alleged to have been a middleman in a trial-fixing ring, in custody. Yiossakis is facing charges of stealing some 100 Byzantine icons from a monastery on the island of Kythera during the 1990s.

Nikos Athanassopoulos, a deputy appeals prosecutor who appeared before the Supreme Court on corruption charges yesterday, argued that he was simply a victim of his acquaintance with Yiossakis. Athanassopoulos is due to attend a further session of the disciplinary hearing today, and faces possible dismissal.

Meanwhile, the head of the Supreme Court, Giorgos Kapos, has asked for a seventh judge to face questioning. Evangelos Kalousis, a court of first instance judge in Hania, is accused of placing misleading advertisements in newspapers to attract foreign women and then inveigling them into prostitution on promises of favors, which never materialized.

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Dear Francisco,

OLA! smile

I think that alot of what you posted on page 1 may leave our forum brethren thinking "it is all Greek to me!" wink biggrin :rolleyes: eek

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This is so pathetic. frown I recall that at one time in Greece, 20 plus years ago, all the churches were left open so that people could worship. Then icons became precious and the robberies started. mad Since then they keep them locked.

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From the Macedonian Press Agency (http://www.mpa.gr/article.html?doc_id=510294)

INVESTIGATION AND DENIALS
Athens, 11 February 2005 (13:41 UTC+2)


Head Athens prosecutor Dimitris Papangelopoulos ordered an urgent preliminary investigation on the Apostolos Vavilis case, while the government denied there is evidence that he was a secret service agent.

Meanwhile, Patriarch Erineos of Jerusalem with a statement made by the Patriarchate's lawyer Alexis Kougias denied any relation with Apostolos Vavilis, while opposition PASOK Socialist Party parliament deputy and former Prime Minister Kostas Simitis' adviser in 1996-2000 Soula Merentiti clarified that Vavilis is her distant cousin and has no contact with him.

The Ministry of Public Order announced that Vavilis participated as a representative of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem in an inter-religious meeting in Assisi, Italy organized by the Vatican.

According to information published on the Greek-American daily �Ethnikos Kirix�, Archimandrite Giosakis who is currently detained accused of illegal trade of antiquities in the island of Kythera, wanted to build a jacusi in a Chicago church.

PATRIARCH OF JERUSALEM DENIES ANY ACQUAINTANCE WITH VAVILIS
Athens, 10 February 2005 (13:38 UTC+2)


The role of the elusive Apostolos Vavilis, the man with the thousand faces, continues to torment the Greek Orthodox Church Hierarchy and scandalize the Greek public opinion. According to new evidence coming to light every day, his presence next to Patriarch Erineos of Jerusalem is being certified as well as his involvement in Church affairs with the tolerance or the encouragement of the Hierarchy leadership.

Apart from the court sentences he has received for drug trade and his Ministry of Public Order supply companies it has also been revealed that in 2002 Apostolos Vavilis participated as a representative of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem in the inter-religious meeting in Azize, Italy organized by the Vatican.

The name he had used then was Rafael Anagnostakis and accompanied Archimandrite Nikolaos Farmakis.

Patriarch Erineos has denied that he ever knew Vavilis through a written statement by his legal representative.

ARCHBISHOP CHRISTODOULOS WILL CALL FOR AN EXTRAORDINARY MEETING OF THE CHURCH HIERARCHY
Athens, 9 February 2005 (15:37 UTC+2)


Archbishop Christodoulos of Athens and All Greece is expected to call for an extraordinary meeting of the Greek Orthodox Church Hierarchy at the end of February to discuss all issues that caused a major crisis in the Church.

According to information, Archbishop Christodoulos will call for a meeting of the Hierarchy in the Holy Synod meeting on Monday because a growing number of hierarchs believe that this crisis has to be dealt with by the supreme Church body.

BIG DROP IN THE ARCHBISHOP'S POPULARITY
Athens, 11 February 2005 (14:15 UTC+2)


Big drop is recorded in the popularity of Archbishop Christodoulos of Athens and All Greece according to an opinion poll conducted by the VPRC polling company on behalf of Athens radio station �Sky� on February 7 and 9 on a sample of 1,000 people.

According to the opinion poll results, 47% of the people asked have a negative opinion about the Archbishop compared to 43% who have a positive view. Before May 2004, Archbishop Christodoulos' popularity was at 68%.

The politicians are regarded as most corrupt by 70% of the people, while 69% express satisfaction for the election of the new Hellenic Republic President compared to 16% expressing discontent.

Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis has the highest popularity rate at 70% followed by Giorgos Papandreou 55%, Alekos Alavanos 41%, Aleka Papariga 39% and Giorgos Karatzaferis 33%.

STATE-CHURCH COOPERATION FRAMEWORK
Athens, 11 February 2005 (13:56 UTC+2)


The government will not open a dialogue on the State-Church separation changing the status in the State-Church relations, stated in Parliament Education Minister Marieta Giannakou responding to a question by Coalition President Alekos Alavanos.

Mrs. Giannakou added that the State should stop using the Church to serve its political beliefs, while she called on the Church to stop meddling in State affairs and boost its spiritual role in cooperation with the Ecumenical Patriarchate.

Mrs. Giannakou also stressed that corruption phenomena could be observed even if the Church was totally separated from the State.


From Kathimerini (http://www.ekathimerini.com/)
Probe launched into shady role of dealer Vavilis
His links with Church and State questioned

A top Athens prosecutor yesterday ordered an immediate investigation into the role of Apostolos Vavilis, a convicted drug dealer on the Interpol wanted list, and his possible connection to the Church and State.

Vavilis's name came to prominence after allegations that Archbishop Christodoulos, the head of the Church of Greece, sent him to Jerusalem in 2001 to oversee the election of the Orthodox patriarch there. Christodoulos denied the claims but this has not prevented a string of allegations about Vavilis appearing in the media.

Chief prosecutor Dimitris Papangelopoulos said the probe should focus on four key areas: how Vavilis apparently engaged in business deals with the State when there was a warrant out for his arrest; how he was issued a fake identification card under the name Apostolos Pavlos Fokas; how he managed to leave the country for Jerusalem; and on what authority he was in Israel.

Authorities are also thought to be conducting an unofficial investigation into the possibility that Vavilis, who was first arrested in 1988 for drug dealing, was spying on Greece. An internal police probe has already uncovered that, for a man who has been wanted by Interpol since 1998, Vavilis led a seemingly charmed life.

In September 2001, Greek authorities discovered that Vavilis was in Jerusalem and had reportedly been trying to influence the outcome of the election for Orthodox patriarch. Officers at the Greek branch of Interpol contacted their Israeli counterparts and requested his arrest and extradition, providing them with the name of the hotel where he was staying. The Israelis replied almost immediately that someone called Pavlos had been staying at the hotel in question claiming to be an Orthodox worshipper but that no more information was available. However, television footage, as well as depositions Vavilis gave to Israeli authorities, suggest that he was in the country at that time.

It has also emerged that in 1994, Italian authorities had asked for Vavilis to be arrested after a Venice court found him guilty, in absentia, of drug dealing. The request was relayed by Interpol to the prosecutor in Volos, where he was first convicted in 1988, but an arrest warrant was never issued. It was not until 1998 that a warrant was put out by Interpol.

It appears that Vavilis then obtained a fake ID card and left the country. However, from 1995-97, Vavilis acted as a representative for companies selling security equipment to the Public Order Ministry. He also ran a gun shop a few meters away from police headquarters in central Athens.

Meanwhile, a priest from a Mount Athos monastery yesterday claimed that Christodoulos sent Vavilis there for spiritual guidance in 1998.

Although Christodoulos has denied links to Vavilis and said he is determined to rid the Church of corruption, according to a poll released by VPRC yesterday, his popularity has been severely dented. Some 47 percent of people questioned said they had a negative image of the archbishop - a 25 percent drop from last May.


COMMENTARIES


A Herculean task
Among the flurry of scandal allegations, which are in danger of becoming a regular fixture in our daily news, there are some that really leave us speechless � and, at the same time, at a loss as to how to purge the system of these cancerous cells.

To be sure, the alleged misdeeds are morally and legally contemptible. And it could not have been otherwise, as these involve bribe taking, lewd behavior and broken vows. One might argue that these acts were carried out by isolated individuals or by a small circle of people. However, what can one say when a single person who has been sentenced for drug dealing is nevertheless reported to have maintained close ties to the police, the Church, the judiciary, representatives of state contractors, and probably even another country�s intelligence units?

All this seem to have accumulated in Apostolos Vavilis�s resume. Condemned to 13 years in prison for dealing in drugs, he was granted a 15-year suspended sentence after a police officer testified that he was an informant for the police.

He disappeared before a new arrest warrant was issued for him. Again Vavilis received a suspended sentence. He was finally issued a new arrest warrant that was never executed.

While being sought by the police, the elusive dealer was allegedly going back and forth from the Public Order Ministry selling services and security systems. In 2001, the police believed he was trading in drugs under the name of Apostolos Fokas. During the same period, helped by the abovementioned witness � a friend of his inside the police force � as well as church officials, Vavilis was sent to Jerusalem to oversee the election of the Orthodox archbishop there; he had contact with the Israeli secret services and used a monk as a witness to issue a bogus identity card.

Police, judges, ministry, secret services, bishops and monks, they all opened the door to Vavilis � a man who traded in drugs, armored vehicles and bulletproof jackets, who also acted as middleman in many shady dealings.

It�s hard to believe that these were isolated cases. More likely, our public life has been engulfed in an ocean of corruption.

If that is true, then purifying one or two institutions simply won�t do. We have a Herculean task of cleaning up every aspect of public life. The question is who can and how to fulfill such a daunting challenge when corruption has reached such unnerving proportions.

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Pictures of Apostolos Vavylis (or Apostolos Pavlos Fokas or Father Rafail Apostolos Anagnostakis or Father Rafail Grigoriatis) toguether with metropolitan Hisychios (not in the picture) aviable at http://www.enet.gr/online/online_text?c=112&id=54430760. Pavlos Fokas took also part as monk in the visit of higumenos Efren (Vatopedi Monastery Athos) to Greek speaking villages in Southern Italy where they planned to build an Orthodox Monastery. Please notice that the Greek speakers of Southern Italy are not Orthodox but Catholics (latin rite.

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Chico, Personally, although I think we should always pray for the Church of Greece (and the Churches of Belarus, Russia, Serbia, etc.)...I think the Orthodox in America have enough problems of our own to address...without ever even leaving these shores. As one Roman Catholic priest-friend always says to me, whenever I talk about unity between the 'two lungs' of the Church (East & West): "You guys (Orthodox) can't even get along with one another...how are you ever going to get along with us?" :rolleyes:

May the Lord help us always to look withIN...and there finding Him---ask, nay BEG Him for unity and peace among all our brothers and sisters!

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Dear Father Gregory,

Althought I would prefer not to make personal commentaries on this topic I think that the different scandals in the Orthodox Church of Greece ((homo)sexual scandals , ecomic scandal, judicial scandals) are not here the real point, we are taliking here about the relationships between Church and State, Church and Political, Economic and Social Power. Please do not forget that the Church of Greece is the official religion and that Archbishop Christodoulos was at the head of massive demostrations againts Greek goverment decision religious believes not to be included in indentity cards. Do not forget that in Greek law you can find cases of legal religious discriminations against non Orthodox (according to Greek laws Catholics, for example, can not build a church without the written permision of the local Orthodox metropolitan). The Greek Orthodox clergy are both "ministers of the Most Hight" and "public servants". We are talking about the Holy Lands and the fact that local Arab speaking Rum-Orthodox (Palestinian, Jordan or Israeli citizens)priests can not become archimandrites or bishops at their own Patriarchate because the patriarchate is in the hands of the Greek Orthodox clergy, usually from the islands of Samos and Chios. Does not Rum mean Greek? We are talking about the enormouse patrimony of the Church and its use. We are talking about proselytism between "sisters Churchs" (forvidden in Greece by law but allowed in Southern Italy and at the Archdiocese of Panama). And believe me I do not think that its only the problem of the Greek Orthodox Church or of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem (the Catholic Church not being an exception, the religious situation of Greece is quite similar to the religious situation of Catholic countries like Spain just some decades ago, ad yes I believe that even today in some cases we can talk about proselytism of the Catholic Churcvh againts the Orthodox) but I think that these scandals (scandal we can find in any kind of confession ecclesiastical community) give us the oportunity of making a reflexion about theoretical and practical ecclesiology.

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Francisco, Maybe you didn't understand my principal point dear brother? I'll try and say it in a differnt way: I just don't think (or maybe I should say I wonder if) that ANY discussion of the internal problems of the Greek Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic Church or the Melkite Greek Catholic Church or any other Church is spiritually uplifting for us during Great Lent. I understand your point...I appreciate it...and I basically agree with you even, I'm just not sure how any of this type of news or discussion brings anyone closer to Christ---especially during a period of Lenten introspection and reflection? You see my point? The Church (all of them) is the "home of sinners" ("I came not for the saved, but for the sick...as a physician of souls") so it is to be expected that all human weakness, falleness, and sin will be found in the Church/Churches...but I'm just suggesting humbly...that this might not be the most edifying during Great Lent. I understand you point...and I hope that you now understand mine.

The Lord grant you a holy and profitable Lenten Spring!

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Dear Francisco,

I think that perhaps you sound a bit bitter towards the church of Greece? Are you a Catholic that has lived there and not been treated well?

If that is the case, I can understand your upset. However, I would tend to agree with Father Gregory that all these articles are not quite spiritually edifying.

Have a blessed Lent,
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Dera Father Gregory and Alice,

Thank you very much for your prayers and wishes for Lent (in fact here in Greece Lent has not started since both Orthodox and Catholics do celebrate Easter according to the Julian Paschalion,next Sunday being the Sunday of Zacchaeus). Alice, Father Gregory, I really believe that this kind of ecclesiological reflection (sin has also a communitarian character) during this Lenten period can be spiritually edifying and bring us, as Church, closer to Christ preparing us to meet Christ, the groom (nymfios) of the Church and of our souls, during Holy Week, so that we may sing at Easter ("Shine, shine, the New Jerusalem=Church"). In the Old Testament penance has got a communitarian character (Niniveh). Both in the Latin and the Byzantine tradition Lent begins with a communitarian confession of sins (Ash ceremony, First Katanyktikos Esperinos or Forgiveness Vespers)that reminds us that penance had once public character. I propose you all to pray during this period for the purification of the Church,that is for the personal purification of all the members of the Church, and for a real conversion all of us in our ecclesiological behaviours, asking Lord's pardom for our sins againts the Church-mystical body of Christ and for ours sins as Church of sinners that fight to become saints throght God's grace.

Do not worry , Alice, they treat me well in Greece, althouth this winter in Greece is being really hard and I have a terrible cold.

God bless you.

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Dear Francisco,

Father Gregory is neither ethnically Greek, nor has he ever been to Greece!

I understand your points, and they are not without merit and validity-- and you seem quite passionate about them--however, you need to vent them on someone who may be in a position to debate with you or to take them into consideration and pass them on to the right people. I don't think that this is the right forum for that.

Why not e-mail your post to Archbishop Christodoulos? You can contact him at www.ecclesia.gr [ecclesia.gr] I can assure you that they are read by important clerics close to him, and that they are passed on to him.

Yours in Christ,
Alice

P.S. Take care of your cold and get well soon! smile

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Francisco, Let's agree to disagree on this one? smile You may be right...and maybe it's just that after 40 years of Church service, this kind of 'news' is very tiresome to me personally...whether it is about Orthodox or Catholics or Protestants or whomever. Like Alice, I just personally don't find it uplifting. Maybe it's a 'age' thing? If you are fairly young, I can understand your interest in such news...but as we age, I think most of us tire of it quickly...but I will pray for your health...and that during Great Lent you loose the cold once and for all. We'll put your name on our prayerlist tonight. May you be well...and enjoy the Lenten Spring!

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Please do not forget that the Church of Greece is the official
religion and that Archbishop Christodoulos was at the head of massive demostrations againts Greek
goverment decision religious believes not to be included in indentity cards. Do not forget that in Greek
law you can find cases of legal religious discriminations against non Orthodox (according to Greek laws
Catholics, for example, can not build a church without the written permision of the local Orthodox
metropolitan). The Greek Orthodox clergy are both "ministers of the Most Hight" and "public servants".
We are talking about the Holy Lands and the fact that local Arab speaking Rum-Orthodox (Palestinian,
Jordan or Israeli citizens)pri
Dear Francisco,

The identity card problem was due to other causes. Christodoulos was afraid that the socialist government wanted to eliminate those cards, and that would be a first step in separating Church and State. Now the clergy and churches are supported by the state, so it's a big issue.

That he started with the identity cards, is a reflection of his provincialism. He was not aware of how it would appear to people in other parts of the world.

As for the Patriarchates in the Middle East, that only have Greek hierarchs, etc, that is a pity. It's an unfortunate situation that will only end in disaster for the Christians in that part of the world. But the Greeks, and the Ecumenical Patrarch cannot understand it. They only know that the best Orthodox theological studies are in Greece, and they pick the person they believe is the best qualified.

Do not be too critical of Arch. Christodoulos. He is a charismatic Greek patriot, and see's things through those lenses. He was very emphatic about having Christianity mentioned as the basis of European civilization in the EU constitution, and I believe it caused problems with the Ecumenical Patriarch. After all, he is located in Turkey, and it was Turkey that was insistant that it not be mentioned.

Greece though, should open it's doors to Evangelization. What it's doing, is detrimental to the spiritual welfare of it's people. But again, Arch. Christodoulos can only see things through the eyes he was given...and they are completely Greek.

Zenovia

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