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Maybe they should put out an APB for all those stolen sacraments. I certainly hope that the moderators/administrators do not delete this post. The absurdity of the previous post both invites and deserves such a reply.
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Glory to Jesus Christ!
Mexican,
Word of advice. Beware of the RadTrad (RadTrad = Radical Traditionalist). My first contact with Catholicism when I was searching was with them and almost did not get confirmed because of the junk they filled my headwith. I was concerned of getting confirmed at the local parish because of these people just because the parish used the Novus Ordo mass!!! I have nothing against those who prefer what is perceived as the "traditional" Roman Catholic way of doing things. But there are those who go beyond that and think themselves "more Catholic than the Pope" if you will.
Just be careful of those who start spouting the extreme of Roman thought.
Kyrie eleison,
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Glory to Jesus Christ! Maybe they should put out an APB for all those stolen sacraments. I certainly hope that the moderators/administrators do not delete this post. The absurdity of the previous post both invites and deserves such a reply. Athanasius the Lesser, I'm with you. If anything should be deleted it should be the post that caused this timely reply. lol. Kyrie eleison, Manuel
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Of interest is that, in recent years, the Catholic Church is starting to move away from the Augustinian and toward the Cyprianic theory - witness the Milingo fiasco a few years ago. What in particular about the Milingo case shows the movement as characterized, "away from the Augustinian and toward the Cyprianic theory"? Deacon Tony, As for those recently ordained by Archbishop Milingo, the Church’s discipline in imposing the penalty of excommunication latae sententiae upon those who receive episcopal consecration without pontifical mandate is well-known. While expressing hope for their conversion, the Church reaffirms what was declared on 26 September 2006, namely that she does not recognize these ordinations, nor does she intend to recognize them, or any subsequent ordinations based on them, in the future. Hence the canonical status of the supposed bishops remains as it was prior to the ordination conferred by Archbishop Milingo. (emphasis added) COMUNICATO DELLA SALA STAMPA DELLA ...MANUEL MILINGO - TESTO IN LINGUA INGLESE [press.catholica.va]Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Of interest is that, in recent years, the Catholic Church is starting to move away from the Augustinian and toward the Cyprianic theory - witness the Milingo fiasco a few years ago. As for those recently ordained by Archbishop Milingo, the Church’s discipline in imposing the penalty of excommunication latae sententiae upon those who receive episcopal consecration without pontifical mandate is well-known. While expressing hope for their conversion, the Church reaffirms what was declared on 26 September 2006, namely that she does not recognize these ordinations, nor does she intend to recognize them, or any subsequent ordinations based on them, in the future. Hence the canonical status of the supposed bishops remains as it was prior to the ordination conferred by Archbishop Milingo.
COMUNICATO DELLA SALA STAMPA DELLA ...MANUEL MILINGO - TESTO IN LINGUA INGLESE [press.catholica.va] Thank you Neil. Regarding the emphasis added text, it is necessary to know the reason. The Church has held ordinations null and void in the past. The statement raises questions rather than hard conclusions; consider these observations: This ordination most definitely means several things: it means the episcopal orders Christ entrusted to His Church have just been conferred on four patently ill-disposed men; it means five men are now automatically excommunicated; and it means Rome is squarely faced with a grave violation of ecclesiastical order...we seem to have a split in the news sources on a relevant point. Some print sources refer to Milingo ordaining bishops, others to his installing bishops. If it was the latter, and if that act did not include ordaining them (one website, which I know little about, would seem to support that interpretation) ...There is some very interesting language herein, including: ... 2) the Holy See does not intend to recognize these ordinations, this a remark sure to provoke canonical and theological discussion. For now at least, it seems that whatever Milingo actually did on Sept. 24 was either an ordination, an attempted or pseudo-ordination, or is otherwise being viewed as an equivalent act subject to censure under 1983 CIC 1382. [ canonlawblog.blogspot.com] Another caution is that, although it is instructive to characterize limiting theological positions, Augustinian and Cyprianic theory, the Catholic Church has not formally embraced one or rejected the other (that I know).
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Brothers and Sisters:
I am locking this thread because it took a very unChristian turn last evening with a post at 8:08 p.m.
I remind the poster that this is an Eastern Christian board and the sentiments expressed in that post do not reflect the teaching of the Catholic Church toward our Eastern Christian brothers and sisters or their clergy. The views of those who style themselves "traditonal Catholics" do not necessarily reflect the teaching of the Church and the polemics--thinly veiled--in that thread are offensive to me, as a Catholic, and I am sure to my Eastern brethren on this board.
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