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Glory to Jesus Christ! Reception, and nothing else. When the teachings of a particular council are accepted by the entire world, then it becomes ecumenical, and not before. Applying this, list the ecumenical councils. Stuart, you should know he is just setting you up to then ask you about the Churches that did not accept Chalcedon (I think that's the one) and the rest afterwards. Kyrie eleison, Manuel
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Glory to Jesus Christ! Reception, and nothing else. When the teachings of a particular council are accepted by the entire world, then it becomes ecumenical, and not before. Applying this, list the ecumenical councils. Stuart, you should know he is just setting you up to then ask you about the Churches that did not accept Chalcedon (I think that's the one) and the rest afterwards. Kyrie eleison, Manuel
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Glory to Jesus Christ! Reception, and nothing else. When the teachings of a particular council are accepted by the entire world, then it becomes ecumenical, and not before. Applying this, list the ecumenical councils. Stuart, you should know he is just setting you up to then ask you about the Churches that did not accept Chalcedon (I think that's the one) and the rest afterwards. Kyrie eleison, Manuel Actually (and even better), I have now established that StuartK and Robert Bellarmine have something in common.
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Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory to Jesus Christ! [quote=StuartK]Reception, and nothing else. When the teachings of a particular council are accepted by the entire world, then it becomes ecumenical, and not before. Applying this, list the ecumenical councils. Stuart, you should know he is just setting you up to then ask you about the Churches that did not accept Chalcedon (I think that's the one) and the rest afterwards. Kyrie eleison, Manuel Actually (and even better), I have now established that StuartK and Robert Bellarmine have something in common.[/quote] And that would be? Kyrie eleison, Manuel
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I thought saints were humble . . . :-P ;-)
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The truth behind the councils already exists, and is pre-existant. The councils do the absolute minimum necessary to outline the truth as best we can. What they primarily deal with is Christology.
Maybe there are seven, maybe there are less, that's not the point. The point is the truth elucidated in the council enters in to the consciousness of the church.
There is no formula, and no clear definition for how this happens. It just does. It is one of the central mysteries of the church.
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The truth behind the councils already exists, and is pre-existant. The councils do the absolute minimum necessary to outline the truth as best we can. What they primarily deal with is Christology.
Maybe there are seven, maybe there are less. Maybe there are more. I can read this and say this applies then to all councils the Roman Catholic Church calls ecumenical.
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I thought saints were humble . . . :-P ;-) I wouldn't want to be more humble than, oh, Cyril of Alexandria or Jerome--that would make me guilty of the sin of pride.
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Glory to Jesus Christ! I thought saints were humble . . . :-P ;-) I wouldn't want to be more humble than, oh, Cyril of Alexandria or Jerome--that would make me guilty of the sin of pride. Good one! Quick wits there I see :-P lol. Kyrie eleison, Manuel
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I can read this and say this applies then to all councils the Roman Catholic Church calls ecumenical. Of course, if you believe they witness to the truth. I think the fixation on there being 7 councils is misguided, or at least misses the point. Just as the idea that there are 7 sacraments misses the point.
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If it applies to all of the councils called ecumenical, then why is the Synod of 869-870 the "Eighth Ecumenical Council", while the Synod of 879-880, which overturned the earlier synod, and which was endorsed by the Pope of Rome, and entered into the Liber Pontificalis, not ecumenical?
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The utterances of the Bishop of Rome are infallible only if they are true & correct. My understanding of papal infallibility is that it is negative in the sense that the charism proper to the Petrine office prevents him from defining false teachings as dogma.
I stand to be corrected on this.
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Well, that certainly didn't work for Pope Honorius I, did it?
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Reception, and nothing else. When the teachings of a particular council are accepted by the entire world, then it becomes ecumenical, and not before. Applying this, list the ecumenical councils. Have all the councils 1-7 been "accepted by the entire world"? In what way, on what basis, has this been determined?
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