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http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=4945.3207.0.0 In 1543 Helen Stark’s murder was recorded by John Fox. It is a whisper in history of one of the many travesties committed by the Catholic Church. Stark was accused of not having accustomed herself to pray to the Virgin Mary while she was in labor. On this accusation, she was found guilty and sentenced to death. The woman, along with her sucking infant, was to be put into a sack and drowned. ------- Yes, I love the Holy mother, but actions like this, if remembered won't help against the islamisation of Europe. And you wonder why there's an aggressive trend in secularism.. I guess the effects of the 15th century are still dying down... What on earth was that for??
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I don't think that nutty and/or evil things done in the name of religion is a monopoly of the Catholic Church!
I have no idea where this was dug up, but there are many crazy stories throughout the history of Christianity, in both East and West...human beings are and will always be human beings.
As far as this "aiding the Islamazation of Europe", well--I wouldn'
t worry about this story, as Islam surely takes the prize for stories of religious fanatic craziness!
Islam will take over Europe, not because of sins and warts of the Catholic or Orthodox faith, but because of baptized Christian's ego, and the denial of Christ and the spirit in favor of consumerism and secularism...
Where life is easy, God often gets pushed aside and forgotten, and living an easy life as it is lived in the 21st century (food, warmth in the cold, coolness in the heat, indoor plumbing, in home entertainment, automobiles, telephones, new clothes, secure jobs, etc.) has never been so comfortable and luxurious for the common man--even beating out the comforts of kings of the past!
Also, Europe suffered throughout wars with hunger and poverty and fear (war) not too long ago; perhaps it is the human condition to want to forget all that so badly that it also forgets Whom it was that saved them through those years.
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Alice,
I'm not sure if any of this was true.. do you think people exaggerate?
I think you have your answer my friend - I foolishly posted the above article without reading its entirety..
The author clearly has an agenda. He is perhaps anti-Catholic (and Orthodox!), like a lot of baptists and non-denominationalists or Protestants for that matter.
If you read the whole article, you'll see that his understanding of your dogmas of the immaculate conception are completely flawed. He thinks that we "worship" or deify Saint Mary.
I mean Alice, the reason why Islam will grow is in the article: The Author, and people like him, are hell bent on creating an image of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches that aren't true. Their understanding of scripture is based on their own interpretations, which a lot of times, are just plain wrong.
I think we need to reconcile, reach out to people like this and explain to them that we ONLY worship the Holy Trinity.
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When will the Supreme Court, various Presidents, Senators, Representative, bureacrats and judges apologize for the killing of 53 million persons within the womb of their mothers??
This holocaust dwarfs most crimes against humanity, even the Nazis atrocities. This is an affront to Islam, Christianity and Judaism.
Not only do they not apologize, they have made it a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT and it is ILLEGAL to pass any law which limits it.
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I have a hard time believing this story, sounds like early protestant legend, told retold, adding here, deleting a bit there. Here's another version, where the baby was not killed from "SKETCHES OF THE COVENANTERS by J. C. McFEETERS, D.D. Minister of the Second Church of the Covenanters, Philadelphia" : Helen Stark deserves honorable mention. She and her husband were
sentenced to death for their fidelity to Jesus. She begged for the poor
consolation of dying with her husband, pleading that the flames that
would consume his flesh might also consume hers. The privilege was
denied. She stood by him while the fire did its work, and the chariot of
flame bore his soul to heaven. She encouraged him to endure bravely and
glorify God. When life had departed from his quivering body, she was
pushed aside and hastened to a pond of deep water. Withdrawing a babe
from her warm breast where it would never again rest, she gave it to a
woman near by, resigning it to the loving Father of orphans. She was
then plunged into the water where death quickly ended her sorrows. This
martyrdom was in 1543. An interesting wiki on the "Covenanters": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CovenanterSeems the original tale was "created" in Fox's Book of Martyrs.
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Michael, everyone...
My SINCERE apologies..i realised the story must be a hoax after reading it completely.
If someone has an agenda, they will tend to make myths or make up story as reality.
How can the Catholic Church kill someone for a reason like that?
I think its pretty obvious that this story is a hoax... without even checking up on it. Im sorry for being naive.
However, let's not close this subject yet:
You can see what non denominationalists are doing to your Church.
Can't you? They are - on purpose, or maybe carelessly, spreading false rumours about your doctrines.
How do you solve this?
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..i realised the story must be a hoax after reading it completely...How do you solve this? Re: Has the Catholic Church apologised for this yet?? Point out that any such new item added to the apology list must take its place in the queue behind, among others, the Chilean mine collapse, 9/11, the sinking of the Titanic, the Plague, Caesar's assassination (which was also a Jesuit conspiracy), the Flood and the Fall.
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Hahaha! Ajk, thanks for the laugh. Sometimes it feels like that's what people want out of the Church: never-ending apologies.
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Chilean mine collapse, 9/11, the sinking of the Titanic, the Plague, Caesar's assassination (which was also a Jesuit conspiracy), the Flood and the Fall athlete's foot, Alzheimer's disease, the pension crisis in Greece, France, Britain, and Germany, psoriasis, bed bugs in American hotels 
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Why do you think the Catholic Church has any responsibility for doing anything about this. These people have no market for the truth. Whatever suits their agendas is truth. The fact that they have been doing this since 1500 should tell you something. Have you never heard of Tony Alamo? Surely you have gotten one of his lurid tracts on your windshield some time in your life. The devil thrives in the culture of hate that these kinds of people cultivate with with such relish.
By the way have the Anglicans apologized for what they did to the English martyrs? Has the Church of Sweden apologized for what Gustavus Adolphus did to the Catholics in Bavaria?
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May I suggest that no one (including Catholics) comes out looking good in this sort of exchange. There have been plenty of atrocities perpetrated against Catholics by non-Catholics, as well as plenty committed by Catholics against non-Catholics. In my opinion, the best response is for us to acknowledge our past sins, seek forgiveness from both God and our fellow man, and pledge that-with God's help-we will refrain from such sin.
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Dang Swedes!  From one unbiased Norwegian. Stephanos I
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Fr. Stephanos:
Father bless!!
ROFLOL
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The Norwegians have not yet apologized for lutefisk.
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Gentle-people,
You must find a way to explain your dogmas to these ignorant protestants.
Why doesn't His Holiness Pope Benedict take 1 hour of his time a week and explain your doctrines. Its VITAL.
He should do it in English and it should be on national TV.
They refuse to accept that we DO NOT worship saints. Asking the intercession of saints is not worshipping them.
Someone has to explain to them all these things...
I'm aware that there are priests reading this thread, and I would appreciate it if you could , within the boundaries of your power and responsibility, find a way to pass this request to your senior Bishops.
H.H Pope Benedict really needs to set aside a Q&A session each week to answer these people!
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