www.byzcath.org Forums General Discussions Town Hall Do you view the Orthodox Churches as Heretical?

True, very true (And kiss them, too - at least twice, three times if they're Syrian .)

Many years,

Neil

Well, thanks. You've posted something useful for me to reflect on.

Father Gruener is a renegade priest; no RC bishop will accept thm. He takes advantage of pious Catholics who love the Mother of God and pumps them for money.
He takes pious prayer and articles and mixes them with poison, that is making him look unfairly persecuted.

I pray that he may truly be convicted by the Holy Spirit and return to the Church.

I've read his poison; my parents constantly received magazines and requests for money from him.

Father Pisoni, a deceased Director of Fatima told people to throw away his material; don't read it.

Ian, do you follow the SSPX follower belief that Pius XII was that last "real" pope?

Fr Deacon Paul

Hi, number one the SSPX do not reject any popes since Pius XII, in fact the Roman Missal they use is the 1962 edition which was the edition made with minor changes by Pope John XXIII who called Vatican II. I do not follow the SSPX but I do sympathize with them. You are thinking of the sedevacantists who actually reject the current Pope. Also what in Father Gruner's material did you find poisonous exactly?

IAN:

Christ is in ur midst!! He is and always will be!!

First of all, yes, the SSPX does, indeed, reject Pope Paul VI because to remain in the Catholic Communion one must submit to the authority of the pope. By ordaining men as bishops and ordaining other men as priests through these bishops, they have effectively rejected the authority of the Bishop of Rome, regardless of the liturgical books they may use.



Why? Are you saying that you are sympathetic to disobedience from lawful authority?

Bob

Ian,
I didn't say the SSPX rejects the popes since Pius XII, but the FOLLOWERS of SSPX. I erroneously stereotyped and should have said "some followers."
Father Gruener continuously criticizes Rome for suppressing the Third Secret, giving the impression that Our Lady of Fatima's revelation to Lucia was in some way more specific and more tragic that what has already been revealed (as though attempted assassination of Pope JP II and the martydom of many wasn't bad enough.)

He lies when he states that he is a priest in good standing, for (as of three years ago) he couldn't find a bishop who will incardinate him into his diocese.

He incites mistrust of the Church and writings tries to convince people that they should heed his teachings over the Church's. Read between the lines in his messages and it will reveal his sin of pride which he wears under the clothing of persecution.

Every Church has its "Father Gruener" whether Orthodox or Catholic or Evangelistic or mainline protestant. The Evil One finds ways to deceive even the most pious.

Wishing you a peaceful Nativity fast,
Fr Deacon Paul

We Rusnaks only hug them after we knock their lights out! lol

Ian,

You have to look no farther than the first article of the Union of Brest for an answer to your question.


Peace and blessings,
Scott

Unfortunately, such was not always seen to be the view of Rome. In some regards the treaties of union were interpreted about as faithfully by Rome as the United States interpreted its treaties with native American nations. But, it is also fair to note that both Rome and United States have gone to great lengths in the past forty years or so to try to remediate such mistakes that had been made in the past.