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Is Dr. Peters THE authority on this subject? Chances are the answer is NO. Without knowing anything about Dr. Peters' credentials, I would be leery of anything coming from a website that calls itself "http://remnantofremnant.blogspot.com." I mean, the phrase "remnant of remnant" suggests that there are "only a few faithful Catholics" left, and that furthermore, only a few of those are "really" faithful. I've heard stuff like this before, and lend it no credence whatsoever. If Dr. Peters doesn't mean to imply such things, he should certainly be more prudent about how he expresses himself. This would be a great discussion for the next USCC Meeting. Write your diocesan bishop and express your concern by asking him put this on the discussion table. The body can then issue a clarification of Canon #277 or petition the Vatican to do so. I can guarantee you that there is not one Catholic bishop in that room that would be willing to go on record stating that married deacons must practice celibacy. Frankly, I don't think there are any RC bishops who would find this "issue" worthy of their time and attention. They know that one of the principles of Canon Law is that it should always be interpreted according to accepted practice. Since it is clear in this case what the accepted practice is, there is no reason to discuss it. I think Dr. Peters has made an iron clad case for what the law says. Without having read his article, I feel reasonably comfortable in dismissing it offhand. The only exception to the principle of accepted practice is when there is a movement to put an end to a long-standing abuse, since in that case the bishops would be compelled in justice to re-consider the matter. If Dr. Peters' statements give rise to a movement within the RCC (and, seriously, do you think this would really happen?), it will be a different matter. Until then, there is literally nothing to discuss. Peace, Deacon Richard Well put and we Orthodox have the same tendency to credit extreme opinions and practices with far more impact than they duly deserve.
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Yes- I am the priest's wife that writes at remnantofremnant.blogspot.com- I didn't name it that because I believe that we Romanian Byzantine Catholics have it all together and are perfect- what I meant by choosing that name is that we are a little portion of an even smaller portion of people. Christians and Catholics are not the majority and certainly Eastern Catholics are not the majority.
Please read my blog; I hope you will find that I am not 'superior' at all- in a way, I am mourning the probable death of a rite which I love.
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Dear Father Deacon, the lessons seem to be: Don't judge on appearances, and don't dismiss arguments out of hand without reading them. 
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I am mourning the probable death of a rite which I love. Preoteasa Sarah, Could you please clarify this for me? Blessings.
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I checked out your site and it is very nice. I would encourage everyone to stop by. On the subject of Dr. Edward Peters [ canonlaw.info] everyone might want to check out his website as well. He is a quite well trained and published canon lawyer and academic whose opinions are, I surmise, somewhat to the right of center but certainly well developed and supported. On the other hand, they are published in a realm of academic discourse that might well lead to confusion for the casual reader or someone not familiar with the subtleties of the debate. It seems that the Latin practice vs. law may have an element of that oeconomia that Easterners so readily invoke. If so I am happy to accept it for what it is and let the poor deacons and married priests to their devices.
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Nelson- maybe I am being a little dramatic...but our eparchy has been struggling, recently closing a parish in Alliance, Ohio. It isn't easy being a Romanian Catholic! The Romanian state still supports their Orthodox brethren here- many people who identify as Byzantine catholic attend orthodox services because they don't like going to a small church...I could go on and on- lesson - Please pray for us!!!
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Nelson- maybe I am being a little dramatic...but our eparchy has been struggling, recently closing a parish in Alliance, Ohio. It isn't easy being a Romanian Catholic! The Romanian state still supports their Orthodox brethren here- many people who identify as Byzantine catholic attend orthodox services because they don't like going to a small church...I could go on and on- lesson - Please pray for us!!! I can vouch for the pain that you're going through.
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Anyhow, to rephrase a Syro-Malabar priest, mandatory celibacy is unbiblical. Celibacy is, but not when its mandatory.
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I checked out your site and it is very nice. I would encourage everyone to stop by. On the subject of Dr. Edward Peters [ canonlaw.info] everyone might want to check out his website as well. He is a quite well trained and published canon lawyer and academic whose opinions are, I surmise, somewhat to the right of center but certainly well developed and supported. On the other hand, they are published in a realm of academic discourse that might well lead to confusion for the casual reader or someone not familiar with the subtleties of the debate. It seems that the Latin practice vs. law may have an element of that oeconomia that Easterners so readily invoke. If so I am happy to accept it for what it is and let the poor deacons and married priests to their devices. I nominate the bolded section of text for the "2011 Understatement of the Year" even though we are only three weeks into the year! I practiced civil law for over thirty years and whenever I read Latin canonists argue among themselves, I get a headache. Actually, whenever I read them at all, I get a headache.
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I will humbly accept the award since it is likely the only one I will get this year. Does is come with a monetary reward?
The amazing thing to me is that people actually pay canon lawyers to do what they do. In any case it would be interesting to hear what you consider the canon law activity that is analogous to ambulance chasing.
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I will humbly accept the award since it is likely the only one I will get this year. Does is come with a monetary reward?
The amazing thing to me is that people actually pay canon lawyers to do what they do. In any case it would be interesting to hear what you consider the canon law activity that is analogous to ambulance chasing.
Jim I didn't mean to imply an analogy to ambulance chasers. My expertise is municipal government law, which can be as obstuse as canon law on any given day! I think that if you get a degree in Canon Law and can't get a real job, some state or another will surely hire you to write regulations!
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Without knowing anything about Dr. Peters' credentials, I would be leery of anything coming from a website that calls itself "http://remnantofremnant.blogspot.com." I mean, the phrase "remnant of remnant" suggests that there are "only a few faithful Catholics" left, and that furthermore, only a few of those are "really" faithful. I've heard stuff like this before, and lend it no credence whatsoever. If Dr. Peters doesn't mean to imply such things, he should certainly be more prudent about how he expresses himself. Deacon Richard, And one should be more prudent in how one expresses oneself when doing so without having bothered to fully acquaint oneself with the matter on which one is commenting. Offering negative comments based on reading a url on the internet and interpreting the content thereof based on that link - without bothering to access the website and verify what it is about - is itself imprudent. If you have not since deduced it from further reading of this thread, Ed Peters did not post his opinions on the website, http://remnantofremnant.blogspot.com, but, rather, on the other site linked in the initial post. In fact, what appeared at the remnantofremnant site were comments by the blogger on Mr Peter's opinions - comments that were certainly not supportive of those. Your evident disdain for the remnantofremnant website, offered without having bothered to read it, was uncharitable and insulting to the blogger, the wife of a Byzantine Romanian Greek-Catholic priest and a member of this forum. I think you owe Preoteasa Sarah/Tamiian an apology. Many years, Neil
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Nelson- maybe I am being a little dramatic...but our eparchy has been struggling, recently closing a parish in Alliance, Ohio. It isn't easy being a Romanian Catholic! The Romanian state still supports their Orthodox brethren here- many people who identify as Byzantine catholic attend orthodox services because they don't like going to a small church...I could go on and on- lesson - Please pray for us!!! Preoteasa Sarah, When did St Theodore's close? I'm very interested in the history that Father is writing about the Romanian Catholic Church's history in the US. Please be certain to let us know when it is published and its availability. Prayers for our Romanian Greek-Catholic brethren. Many years, Neil
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I am the priest's wife that writes at remnantofremnant.blogspot.com ... what I meant by choosing that name is that we are a little portion of an even smaller portion of people. Christians and Catholics are not the majority and certainly Eastern Catholics are not the majority. Sarah, My apologies. I certainly learned a lesson here. Peace, Deacon Richard
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Glory to Jesus Christ! This should be no impediment to Church unity because the Eastern variation of this canon is CCEO 373-374 which follow: Can.373 Clerical celibacy chosen for the sake of the kingom of heaven and suited to the priesthood is to be greatly esteemed everywhere, as supported by the tradition of the whole Church; likewise, the hallowed practice of married clerics in the primitive Church and in the tradition of the eastern Churches throughout the ages is to be held in honor.
Can.374. Clerics, celibate or married, are to excel in the virtue of chastity; it is for the particular law to establish suitable means for pursuing this end. So the problem may exist in the Western Church it is of no consequence in the Eastern Catholic Churches. Fr Deacon Paul
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