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I realize that comparison between both the two editions (Melkite and Ruthenian) and the processes employed in their implementation is inevitable, but I'd ask that we try and limit this thread, as much as possible, to the titled topic, rather than have it become another grounds on which to debate the Metropolia's RDL.

Many years,

Neil

I respect that the Melkite Greek Catholic bishops have the authority to make adjustments to the Divine Liturgy as bishops, clergy and faithful see fit. I won't pass judgment.

May they be guided by the Holy Spirit and God grant them many blessed years.

Fr Deacon Paul

The originator of the subject post did put it in this forum, presumably with purpose. Although the RDL is not noted explicitly in the title nor the initial post, the latter clearly indicates a comparison with the RDL is intended.

This forum seems the proper place for a comparison between this Melkite and the RDL approaches. Also, there is a previous posting ( link ) on the subject in the (more) "neutral" Faith & Worship forum for those who prefer comments rather than comparisons.

I wonder what process the Melkite bishops used to discern the fitness as seen from the perspective of the "clergy and faithful," and how the same was done by the BCC for their similar promulgations.

Deacon,

Posters put threads where they choose - and they get moved regularly.

My comment stands - this thread is for discussion of the titled subject, including what, why, and how.

Anyone wanting to engage in a comparison of the 2 liturgical texts or the methodology used in implementing them can open a thread for that purpose.

Neil,

As you are a Global Moderator I respect your authority in this matter and its application, though I think this is misguided (as apropos of the RDL itself!).

I note that you have posted in this thread this opinion:

[emphasis added]

And I have agreed that this is the appropriate place (though the subject lacks an explicit RDL reference).


Then, however:


And then:


If this is followed, and only the "titled subject" is addressed, then the RDL need not be a consideration. The stated purpose of this forum, however, is clear:

[emphasis added] link

I note again that this thread, here, with the sense of a comparison implied, is in the right forum. It is serving a useful purpose and has generated informative comparisons between the two approaches. To move it serves no purpose, to let it stay, insisting it be limited to the titled subject, contradicts the stated scope of this RDL forum.

As I noted above parenthetically about the RDL itsef, hopefully this will not become another example of authority's my will be done over good sense.

You might be interested in the Byzantine Rambler's assessment of the new Melkite text. http://byzantineramblings.blogspot.com/2010/02/critique.html#more

Deacon Tony,

Try this analogy to understand my reasoning - consider this forum as a course in Ruthenian Liturgics and this thread as a course in Melkite Liturgics. You read, study, debate, analyze the ancestry, development, etc of each and then you move on to Comparative Liturgics, in which you apply what was learned in the other two courses to a comparison of the two.

It may be parochial on my part, but I consider that the proposed Melkite revision merits its own discussion (and you are correct, there is an existing thread in F&W, but in that forum it is isolated and will soon sink to the depths). That discussion being had (and likely to be ongoing until we see what the final approved version looks like), it deserves to be available for purposes of comparison - this forum provides the best opportunity for that to happen. But, if a single thread tries to serve both purposes, we will have:


An, on we go, off into a tangent that will, 3 pages later, be unrecognizeable as belonging to its titled thread.

So, consider it, if you choose, to represent but that's my logic. My earlier instruction stands.

Many years,

Neil

Indeed, a fine illustration of the use of authority -- a Melkite only discussion in the RDL forum it will be. If I may (again) note just for the record:

[emphasis added] link

Amen.

Has this addition been printed. And if so, where can one obtain a hard copy. I don't see it listed at Sopia Press.

As I believe that it is still 'experimental' (I think that is the term being used), the only readily available version of which I'm aware is the PDF linked in the original post.

If I'm wrong, I have no doubt that someone will correct me.

Many years,

Neil

We're still not using it. Don't really see any point to the exercise, actually.

So who prints the editions you have at church. Or does the parish make it's own copies.

The Raya Liturgikon is still readily available (2001 edition).

Link to where it can be purchased?.