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Hello. I will be coming to the Greek rite soon from the Roman. I'm here to pick your brains therefore.

What books should I read or dvds should I buy that will help me upon my study of the Greek Catholic Liturgy and Tradition?

Thank you for all your help!

God bless you

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Welcome to the forum, Wheelbarrow,

One of these days, we'll likely concoct some quick and easy way to point inquirers, such as yourself, to lists of reference materials that members have compiled in response to this same inquiry. However, the advantages of doing so aside, it would lack the human touch which invariably offers new ideas to supplement the well-worn and treasured recommendations that are repeated time and again - and would deprive newcomers of an opportunity to interact with and get to know some of us as individuals (for better or worse crazy ).

As you might guess, the question has been asked and answered a whole bunch of times, but it isn't a topic that easily lends itself to a quick search of the site and retrieval of threads with the relevant information. So, patience, and answers will be forthcoming.

From your post, I'm guessing that you are interested in coming to a better, fuller understanding of Eastern Christian theology and spirituality, as well as learning about our liturgical forms. (History is another whole thing, but generally more easily found - albeit accurate history might require a bit more of a search.) It's a very late hour (and I'm beat) but I'll offer a few quick suggestions, knowing from experience that my brothers and sisters will flesh these out.

A caution, at the outset: be prepared to find that some of the most strongly recommended texts on theology and spirituality will be by Orthodox writers, as our (Eastern Christian - Orthodox and Catholic) theological and spiritual roots are generally one, albeit some doctrinal differences are among the factors that prevent us from being one in the Mysteries.

There are two authors, one Catholic and one Orthodox, whose writings offer an incredible wealth of information on Eastern spirituality and theology in the Byzantine tradition. They are Archbishop Joseph Raya, of blessed memory, and Metropolitan Kallistos Ware. Both are eminently readable authors and their writings will enrich your knowledge immeasureably.

Another wonderful resource is 101 Questions and Answers on Eastern Catholic Churches by Deacon Ed Faulk, a friend and fellow forum member. It is geared toward Latin Catholics and intended to provide an overview of theology, praxis, and structure in the Eastern Churches - highlighting differences and similarities. Although the focus is on the Byzantine Rite Churches, it includes references to all of those in the Eastern and Oriental Communion.

As far as becoming familiar with liturgical practices, some of the very best material is available on-line. Khouria Frederica Mathewes-Green's essay 12 Things I Wish I'd Known ... First Visit to an Orthodox Church [frederica.com] is a classic primer what to expect on the occasion of one's first entry to an Eastern temple - and its wisdom applies equally to Eastern Catholicism as it does to Orthodoxy. The website of St Elias Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church [saintelias.com] (Brampton, Ontario, Canada) is another place online to obtain a wonderful overview. Its tab on Church Etiquette is an incredible resource for those coming East for the first time.

Hopefully, those ideas will get you started. My brothers and sisters will quickly add their suggestions. Again, welcome to the East and to the forum.

And, btw, should you need directions to get to the only Eastern Catholic parish in Ireland, we're honored to have its pastor, Father Serge Keleher, among our members here.

Many years,

Neil


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Thank you Irish Melkite. I have a feeling Fr.Serge will have a vague idea of who I am already haha as he baptising our young one hopefully on Holy Pascha and there cannot be that many Irish making the transfer I'm sure. Unlike America there seems to be a regular flow of transfers going over the years, Ireland is a small country and 9/10 people dont know what the byzantine rite is at all.

We are in the roman rite at the moment and looking to make that transfer.

I have now for about a year a full dvd series of Father Kallistos ware on Mystical Theology. I've heard he has a good book on the Jesus prayer too I must get that. I got it through a Catholic Byzantine through OLTV?

I hear what your saying about the eastern spirituality and I suppose I could reiterate here what I told Fr.Serge that my house is coming down with books on the east and so on. Love to pray the chotki and Mothers rosary. And although easter icons hardly make my spirituality eastern I've got quite a few around the house of eastern saints. books to boot including my latest by St.Seraphim of Sarov the little russian philokalia.

I suppose since I'm here I'd ask you that when one transfers how long does it take? from the moment of filling out the form? but I'm sure me and Fr.Serge can talk that through anyways when the time arrives.

I did have a look at the videos available here on the site. But they were not working and I'm unable to download them with my system. I clicked on them and it was asking me to view them with realplayer. I dont have realplayer. then I tried downloading realplayer and it didnt work. I only have windows media player and the story goes on.

Did you make a transfer at some period of your life too? or have you always been Melkite from birth?

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Wheelbarrow,

LOL - it sounds as though you're well acquainted with the East.

Congratulations on your baby and prayers that he or she have many blessed years of health.

I can't speak for the time required to effect a transfer in the Republic; Father Serge can offer a much better estimate in that regard. In the US, it can take anywhere from a year to two or three - the various Eastern jurisdictions look for a petitioner to have been involved with the parish for a period of time prior to requesting transfer, to be assured that it's not a passing whim, and that timeframe varies among the eparchies.

As regards the videos and realplayer, I'd suggest that you post about the issue in the Tech Forum (it's a subforum in Town Hall). It may well be that either one of our Administrators or one of our resident geeks can solve the problem.

As to me, I've been a Melkite for about 40 years, having transferred from the Latin Church when I was in my early 20s. It was a slower and different process back then, although mine went through rather quicker than most thanks to the my good fortune in having a pastor who had the ear of the local Latin bishop.

Many years,

Neil


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"A Manual of The Orthodox Church’s Divine Services"
$12 USD
http://www.easternchristiansupply.biz/-#festal/c48/c118/41963

Is very informative, written by a Russian Orthodox priest about 100 years ago, I recommend it though it contains some things not used by Ukrainians (the rite for coronation of a Tsar-Emperor for example)

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Thank you Litvin for your link I will make sure to look at it as soon as possible.

Irish Melkite. Yes I love the east and although I would consider it a love thats poor I try my best to pray that God will help me love it more.

Two to three years seems like an awfully long time lol. I thought it would be like. ''here, fill in that form, give it to the Local Bishop'' then my local Roman Bishop gets it, and if he agrees to my movement then its taken from there.

last year we tried to attend services regularly but I live an hour north of Dublin. I dont drive so I have to get the train. That costs quite a bit but was handy just having to walk around to St.Kevins Oratory. But now they have moved to clonliffe so I'm unsure about travel routes to there but with the new born coming and me not having a job or car getting there would prove to be quite difficult. Therefore I'd be worried that my local Bishop might not approve of my movement seeing as I cannot attend regularly. BUT ...Fr.Serge did the say the His Grace was serious about opening up a parish in Dundalk ( town where I live ) and Belfast too. Whether or not that will be done in the next three years is questionable. So I'm a bag full of worry at the moment that I would be rejected on the grounds that I am unable to attend regularly due to these difficults but I'd be able to make it for all the big feasts of the year. It would crush my spirit to be rejected movement to byzantine. It is certainly a vocation to move rites indeed. And if you were to enter my house you wouldnt be long in seeing what vocation I have. lol.

If I do manage to move correctly I will take my son to Ukraine for pilgrimage. :-)

I must go into the town hall section and ask about that thank you.

Das Vidinia for now ( my wife speaks russian and thats the only Russian I know lol )

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