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I was told this wasn't true, but we'll see.
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Until such a move is announced from official sources, please assume it is not true, and please do not speculate. I'm expecting the next post in this thread to be either a confirmation or a denial (from an official source).
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Nothing at all on the OCA Web Site. In OCA News, it would appear Metropolitan Jonah is scheduled to give a number of Lenten retreats beginning in a few weeks.
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Still nothing on the official OCA web site.
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Well, I can't disagree with this sentiment: • The Metropolitan stated that he told Patriarch Kyrill that the “biggest challenges” the OCA faces “...are ecclesiological: the challenge from within, of an ecclesiology understood through the lens of the 1917 Council and academic theology, a democratic interpretation of Conciliarity combined with a strong anti-episcopal Congregationalist mentality.” Nor am I opposed to this proposal, which is long overdue: • The Metropolitan then described his hopes for a monastery in the Washington DC area the “goal and purpose” of which would be “the preparation of bishops and other leaders of the church” through cooperation with the Patriarchal Department of External Affairs and the Graduate Program (Aspirantura) in Moscow. It would be, in Jonah’s words, “a tremendous opportunity for co-operation with Moscow”. And it would seem reasonable that the Primate be able to choose his staff and advisors: • The Metropolitan concluded his report by stating that, given the above, it was his “right” to chose his own senior staff, so as to be able “to be surrounded by loyal young men.” And I find this rejoinder just a tad disingenuous: • Does +Jonah really think that the All American Councils represents “congregationalism”, or that our diocesan councils, or our parishes council, are rampant with“anti-episcopal” feeling? Was he really that out of touch with OCA history, traditions and policies? They do protest too much. As an Orthodox bishop here told his successor upon his arrival in the United States, here ever priest thinks he's a bishop, but every parish council thinks it's a patriarch. We'll see what comes of this, but it shows how right St. John Chrysostom was both about the priesthood and about bishops.
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A statement [ oca.org] has been posted on the OCA website.
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The real news seems to be that Archpriest Alexander Garklavs has resigned as Chancellor of the OCA. Might not this be a small victory for His Beatitude Jonah?
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The Holy Synod granted His Beatitude’s request for a period of 60 days and appointed the senior Hierarch, His Eminence, Archbishop NATHANIEL, of Detroit and the Romanian Episcopate to assist in the temporary administration of the OCA during His Beatitude’s retreat. So it seems this is only a "retreat" for His Beatitude of about two months. May he return refreshed and strengthened.
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So it seems this is only a "retreat" for His Beatitude of about two months. May he return refreshed and strengthened. Or, it's putting the best face on it. Hard to know. Prayers for His Beatitude and for our brethren of the OCA. Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Video here [ vimeo.com]. Dearly Beloved in Christ,
I greet you with the feast of the Last Judgment as we prepare ourselves for the Great and Holy Lenten Fast.
It is with sadness today that I address you, not because of the content of what I have to say, but because of the manner in which it needs to be said. As many of you know, in line with the longstanding tradition in the church of an intensified prayer life during Lent, I as a diocesan bishop, requested from my brothers on the Holy Synod to set aside a period of time for myself during the Great Fast to spend in personal reflection and renewal. Due to the complexity of my work and travel schedule since my becoming Metropolitan, this will be the first extended period of rest that I have taken in quite some time. I am extremely grateful to my brothers for granting me this request, and for taking on the burden of added responsibility to their already busy schedules: Bishop Tikhon is now the locum tenens of the Diocese of the Midwest, and Bishop Nikon is now the locum tenens of the Diocese of the South.
I had intended, and still plan on doing so, to rest as much as possible during the Great Fast, spending time with loved ones and celebrating and attending the Divine Services at my Primatial Cathedral of St Nicholas in Washington.
However, due to inaccurate reporting on the Internet stating that I had been deposed, that I had resigned, that I am on a leave of absence, rumors that have spread worldwide and have caused great concern among many. I owe you the faithful of this diocese clarification of the facts.
I am still your Metropolitan. I am still your diocesan bishop. I am still the active primate of the Orthodox Church in America. The reports are not true. I am merely taking a retreat, a time for reflection.
I have requested a time of rest. In line with the Holy Canons, the Statute of the Orthodox Church in America, and the good order of the church, no major decisions will be made without my knowledge and consent. His Eminence, Archbishop Nathaniel will be assisting the officers of the church in day-to-day operations. His Grace, Bishop Melchisadek has been kind enough to offer his support in the role of interim Chancellor of the OCA. In line with the statute of the OCA, I am postponing the official spring meetings of the Holy Synod and the Metropolitan Council until the period of time after Pascha. The members of the Holy Synod of Bishops of the Orthodox Church in America have been informed of this postponement.
As the Lord said in the midst of His disciples, “Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you… Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” I love you, I thank you for your continued support and prayers, and look forward to celebrating the Great and Holy Fast with you as we make the journey to the Pascha of Our Lord. Now, let us forget about what lies behind and push forward to lies ahead.
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The statement by His Beatitude which Dave Brown kindly posted here appears to have brought the matter to a close. As this is no longer a viable topic, the thread is closed. Thanks to those who participated. Many years, Neil
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Thanks for posting this, Dave. Prayers that His Beatitude is renewed both personally and spiritually during his absence.
Many years,
Neil
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Where did you get the text that you are quoting for the address? I looked at your website, and you do not attribute the source.
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