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It seems to me that the Russian Orthodox Church, and in particular Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev), is being extremely inconsistent. The part that baffles me is, if a Catholic cleric is received into Orthodoxy, there's a reasonable chance, depending on the place, that he'll be re-baptized and re-ordained. Now, if you regard a man as a non-Christian non-cleric, how can you get worked up if he calls himself Patriarch? The Russian Church would receive him by vesting and a profession of faith, if memory serves me right.
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The reception practices still widely vary (see John Erickson, "Reception into the Orthodox Church: Contemporary Practice," in Ecumenical Review, 54:1 66-75). On page 68, he notes that the simply profession of faith would be required of Catholic converts according to the received practice (on page 77 ff, however, he notes that in the U.S. various practices emerged that conflated the Greek and Russian use). He does not, however, say what the current practice of the Moscow Patriarchate is. One would assume that it would follow the received Russian practice, but then again one should never assume anything . . .
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Consistency on this particular issue (the reception of Catholic converts into Orthodoxy), is very difficult to find.
The Moscow Patriarchate's attitude to the Greek-Catholic Church is unjustifiable, so I won't attempt to do it!
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I know that within my Church, the reception of converts and clergy has been done as I referred. I was shocked, frankly, to learn that there are those Orthodox priests from mainstream Orthodoxy in America who will rebaptize a Catholic upon entry into Orthodoxy. Coming from a Greek Catholic family heritage, I find that practice to be offensive and disrespectful to the memory of my ancestors.So much for 'unity within diversity' among us. I think that we Orthodox could use a little of the legal order that Rome is famous for and Rome could adopt a little of our concept of 'economia'. We would all be better for that.
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The DVD of Patriarch Sviatoslav's enthronement and Pontifical Liturgy (Kyiv 3rd Sunday of Great Lent) has been produced. It's a great improvement over the reproduction I criticized before - still not perfect, but what is? The DVD should be generally available in our parishes on Palm Sunday (I said should be, not will be!)
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I know that within my Church, the reception of converts and clergy has been done as I referred. I was shocked, frankly, to learn that there are those Orthodox priests from mainstream Orthodoxy in America who will rebaptize a Catholic upon entry into Orthodoxy. Coming from a Greek Catholic family heritage, I find that practice to be offensive and disrespectful to the memory of my ancestors.So much for 'unity within diversity' among us. I think that we Orthodox could use a little of the legal order that Rome is famous for and Rome could adopt a little of our concept of 'economia'. We would all be better for that. See my post of an interview with Hilarion (Alfeyev), and his comments on the non-grace giving nature of "schismatic" (read that "Catholic") sacraments. Dn. Robert
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The DVD of Patriarch Sviatoslav's enthronement and Pontifical Liturgy (Kyiv 3rd Sunday of Great Lent) has been produced. It's a great improvement over the reproduction I criticized before - still not perfect, but what is? Does anyone know how one may obtain these DVDs? I'm going nuts trying find them. Thanks for any help which may be available. Father Serge
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