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I saw an interesting comment about the rough time they have had from some who are of the UGCC in Ternopil Oblast. Interesting to see how one or 2 have taken to the use of some byzantine vestments as well.
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Luniates!
Wow! I love it.
Now for the next challenge: a name for the Christians of St. Thomas, or Mar Thomaa Church in Kerela India, who were helped in their "reformation" by the Anglican Church.
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We had one of those in Melbourne a few years ago and it took ages to work out he was not Malankara Orthodox. He had the Copts and Syrians fooled even when he dropped a clanger at an Orthodox clergy (included non Byz) meeting one evening and came out said that Orthodox did not beleive in transubstantiation. Well the room errupted with clergy calling out they did and he was wrong. They had assumed as English was not his first language he had got mixed up. I tried to ask if he was Malankara or Syrian Party but he was evasive wanting instead to give me literature to read.
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Dear Miller,
"Mar Thomas Christians of the Anglican 'Prodded Stance?'"
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Dear Friends,
Let's also remember the saying of the great Redemptorist missionary among the German Lutherans - St Clement Hofbauer, C.Ss.R. who said, "The Germans became Protestants because they wanted to live as Christians."
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Originally posted by Miller:
Luniates!
Wow! I love it.
Now for the next challenge: a name for the Christians of St. Thomas, or Mar Thomaa Church in Kerela India, who were helped in their "reformation" by the Anglican Church. How about "Manglicans", aka "exOrthodox in Union with Canterbury".
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Excellent!
Now I can say my prayers and go to bed in good spirits with a smile on my face.
My wife says I have no imagination or sense of humour, but at least I can appreciate the wit of others.
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Daer Friends, Actually, some years back we had a "Byzantine Lutheran" poster here. He referred to his church as "Orthodox in communion with Augsburg." If you don't believe me, talk to Brendan the Navigator who took him on at the time. (Beat the crap out of him, if I remember correctly . . .  ) Alex
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
He referred to his church as "Orthodox in communion with Augsburg." Wow, everybody in Ukraine wants to be considered Orthodox: Orthodox in Communion with Rome, Orthodox in Communion with Augsburg--heck, even the "Ridna Vira" folks maintain that THEY are the original "Pravoslavny" of Ukraine! :p Those Ukrainian Lutherans still have some great MP3s, that's all I have to say. Dave
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Sounds to me like an attempt by Lutherans to deceive their followers. If these Lutherans were given a taste of the REAL Lutheranism service they would leave in droves. This Liturgy is a lie and a deception. No western Lutheran would even approve of such a service. Heck I bet they even go so far as putting three bar crosses and have cupolas. What next? Iconostasis! JoeS
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We had an interesting discussion here a year or so back that touched on this type of phenomenon Originally posted by Irish Melkite:
Linguistically gifted Protestant clergy created a lot of such small ethnic churches in the US and Canada around the turn of the 20th century, building on the Irish and German hierarchy's bigotry and lack of pastoral concern for Catholics of Southern and Eastern European origin (sound familiar ?). Some of these are still around, with congregations that often include 3rd and 4th generation descendents of early parishioners. They're often identifiable as a church named for a saint, but belonging to a denomination that typically would eschew such papism. A statue of the BVM on the Methodist church lawn is another giveaway, as are rosaries in the hands of the ethnic-looking folk exiting Sunday services at the Baptist church. There was also an interesting interchange between the Lutherans and the Orthodox in the 16th Century. See: 16th Century Lutheran-Orthodox Exchange [stpaulsirvine.org] Orthodox & Lutherans in the 16th Century [tserkovnost.org] Lutheran-Orthodox Dialogue in the 16th Century [angelfire.com] Bibliography relative to the Orthodox-Lutheran contacts in the 16th Century [simaqianstudio.com] Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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