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Russian Orthodox official urges Vatican action on Ukrainian church dispute

Catholic World News
September 13, 2011

The Russian Orthodox Church’s chief ecumenical officer has told the Reuters news agency that the principal obstacle to a meeting between Pope Benedict and Patriarch Kirill is the dispute over parishes in the Ukraine.

More at http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=11724 and "Orthodox leader urges Vatican to resolve dispute" http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/12/us-pope-orthodox-idUSTRE78B49S20110912

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So what exactly does Metropolitan Hilarion mean when he says there needs to be a resolution. Is the resolution that the Vatican abandon the Greek-Catholics and let them be forced back into the ROC? Is the solution that the Vatican pay the ROC for the churches that never rightfully belonged to it in the first place. Or does the resolution include admission of the ROC of its complicity in the attempted destruction of the Greek-Catholics and the martyrdom of its people and leaders?

What is the "resolution"?

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A good question & I'd like to hear the response to it. So often past is prologue, so I think have a pretty good idea what the answer may be.Pardon my scepticism but IMO the ROC-MP NEVER has anything good in mind for Catholics.

Looking at my own Church's past history of interacting with the Orthodox I get a pretty good idea of what dysfunctional eccesiology is.

Too bad. So sad.

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My simple mind says why doesn't His Holiness politely suggest to the Russians that they should actually talk with the UGCC ?

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"Russian Orthodox to See of Peter: Please Step in to Settle Dispute Between Churches"


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However, the Church of Moscow does not recognize the UGCC as being a distinct Church, holding to the position that, due to the claims of papal supremacy made at the First Vatican Council, the Greek Catholic Church of Kyiv is no more than an appenage of the Church of Rome. And they have a point. So, why bother talking to the underling (from their perspective), when they can talk to the Boss?

Now, if Catholic ecclesiology in reality lived up to the theory, then it would make sense, from the position of Moscow, to speak directly with the UGCC. But we all know that the gap between theory and reality is a vast chasm indeed.

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According to this paper written by him in 2002 [orthodoxeurope.org], Met. Hilarion essentially wants the UGCC to adhere to the Balamand statement, as he sees it.

It is summarized by him here in 2005 [orthodoxytoday.org](excerpt quoted):

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One of the obstacles in the dialogue between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches is the question of Uniatism. The Mixed Commission for Catholic-Orthodox Dialogue at its 1990 session in Freising (Germany) stated the following regarding Uniatism: 'We reject it as a method for the search for unity because it is opposed to the common tradition of our Churches.' In 1993, during the seventh plenary session of the Joint Commission which took place in Balamand (Lebanon), the representatives of both Churches confirmed that Uniatism 'can no longer be accepted either as a method to be followed or as a model of the unity our Churches are seeking.' Many practical guidelines were developed in order to lessen the tensions that exist between the Orthodox and the Catholics in various regions of the world, where they co-exist. The document also stated the following: 'Pastoral activity in the Catholic Church, Latin as well as Eastern, no longer aims at having the faithful of one Church pass over to the other that is to say, it no longer aims at proselytizing among the Orthodox. It aims at answering the spiritual needs of its own faithful and it has no desire for expansion at the expense of the Orthodox Church.'

The above statements may seem to have solved the problem. Unfortunately, however, the recommendations which were made have so far remained on paper, and the Greek-Catholics do not want to follow them. On the contrary, an active expansion of Uniatism takes place in the Ukraine. Uniatism attempts to go beyond Western Unkraine, which for several centuries was its traditional area of habitat, and to expand to the East, where it was never any prominent. The recent transfer of the headquarters of the Greek-Catholic Archbishop from Lviv to Kiev is a clear testimony to this. From the point of view of the Orthodox, the only explanation for this transfer is that the Greek Catholics want to increase their membership through proselytising among the Orthodox Christians.

We must clearly state that the politics of double standards in unacceptable for the inter-church relations. It is inadmissible that Uniate expansionism be condemned on paper but fostered in practice. Unia is not only a regrettable fact of the past, which deepened the division between Christian East and West, but also a serious obstacle towards unity at present. Only conscious abstention of the Greek-Catholics from expansionism and adherence to the practical recommendations of the Balamand document may reduce tensions between them and the Orthodox and pave the way towards a significant improvement in the whole area of Catholic-Orthodox relations.

Agree with any of that or not, a resolution to this as he would explain it would probably be real-world adherence to the Balamand Statement, as seen by the ROC.

The question is... Is the UGCC acting beyond the scope of that agreement, or does the ROC misinterpret that document?

As a side note, I did enjoy reading this excerpt from his 2002 paper:

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At the end of 1980s, when the atheist regime in Russia weakened and religious freedom began to flower, hope was brought to both the Orthodox and the Catholics in the territory of the then Soviet Union. The ties between the two Churches, which in Soviet times were quite close (in the face of a common enemy people tend to be united), could have become closer still. I remember this period most vividly. At the time I was a parish priest in Lithuania, a Soviet republic with a predominantly Catholic population. The Orthodox and the Catholics had coexisted there peacefully (this, fortunately, is still the case), and there was a significant degree of mutual trust and assistance. Catholic seminarians came to me for advice before ordination - I was present at their ordination in the Catholic seminary - and meetings between the clergy of the two Churches were frequent. Some Catholic priests and bishops began to return from prison or from exile. I remember my conversation with the newly appointed dean of the theological seminary: when I asked him about his previous 'appointment' he said that he had just returned from prison, where he had spent some ten years. Another Catholic priest spent twenty-five years in a Soviet camp: he had been accused of teaching religion to children, which was forbidden by Soviet law.

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From the statement of the Moscow Patriarchate, it would appear they are willing to tolerate "uniatism" only within the territory defined by the political boundary between the Russian and Austro-Hungarian Empires in the first half of the 17th century; i.e., uniatism can exist in Western Ukraine, but nowhere else in the jurisdiction of the Church of Moscow, regardless of where the faithful of the UGCC may find themselves as a result of the economic and political exigencies of the past century.

This is unreasonable, and its unreasonableness can be demonstrated by putting the shoe on the other foot: Orthodoxy should be tolerated only in those territories that were Russian at the beginning of the 17th century, which would mean closing all Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox parishes in Western Ukraine. Would Moscow accept such an offer? Of course not ("Is outrage!"). Moscow will claim that it has a right to minister to its faithful no matter where they are found.

Just so. And Kyiv has a right to minister to its faithful, no matter where they are found (Rome should take note of that, as well).

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Moscow's problem is not with the Latin Church, but with us. We are Cylons, as far as they are concerned.

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https://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/367367/Father%20Robert%20Taft%20and%20%22U#Post367367

I always liked the interview with Archimandrite Robert Taft and his take on these issues. He pulls no punches.

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Originally Posted by Our Lady's slave
My simple mind says why doesn't His Holiness politely suggest to the Russians that they should actually talk with the UGCC ?


Met. Alfeyev frequently talks with the UGCC. There are pictures of him all over the web on Orthodox polemical websites having cordial meetings with what the Orthodox polemicists call "Galician uniates".

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Originally Posted by StuartK
From the statement of the Moscow Patriarchate, it would appear they are willing to tolerate "uniatism" only within the territory defined by the political boundary between the Russian and Austro-Hungarian Empires in the first half of the 17th century; i.e., uniatism can exist in Western Ukraine, but nowhere else in the jurisdiction of the Church of Moscow, regardless of where the faithful of the UGCC may find themselves as a result of the economic and political exigencies of the past century.


The one positive that the UGCC can take from this is that Moscow would prefer to deal with it than the UAOC, UOC(KP), etc. This means that it either sees the UGCC as the lesser of about five "evils", or as the more legitimate of the numerous non MP jurisdictions in Ukraine.

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So basically meeting Patriarch Kirill is being used as a bargaining chip. Sometimes the Russian Church acts like it doesn't give a flip about the Catholic Church or Rome; and there there are times such as this, where it appears the Russian Church actually does care, but seemingly only because it realizes it can hang out this meeting like a carrot on a stick to get the Catholic Church to capitulate, or, if you like, meet the Russian demands, reasonable or not.

It comes off (1) immature, (2) disingenuous, (3) uncaring about actual Christian unity, (4) as about money and property.

Hopefully Rome doesn't dignify this kind of approach with an answer. I get the satisfactory feeling that indeed, it won't.

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Actually, it's just hardball ecclesiastical politics, played at the major league level--and it's as old as the Church. Rome knows how to play as well as anybody, and better than most.

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Stuart, you're probably right, but I think my observation still stands. Were you left with a significantly different impression?

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