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Eternal memory, Penthaetria! I found this about another recent Melkite ordination. A married deacon in New Hampshire was ordained to the priesthood in 2002 in Rabweh, Lebanon. Info on clergy of New Hampshire Melkite parish [ home.comcast.net] After Fr. Andre's ordination as priest in 1996, were the other ordinations of married deacons to the priesthood done back in the Middle East? Or, were some done in the US?
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Your enumeration doesn't include Deacon Nicholas (Rosov), of blessed memory, husband of our beloved sister, friend, and fellow forumite, Alicia/Penthaetria. I apologize for the oversight. I do not believe I have had the honor of meeting Father Deacon Nicholas, and so accidentally overlooked him.
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Stuart,
Did the Eparchy put up H.G. Bishop Samra's installation homily? Still looking for it, but no luck!
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After Fr. Andre's ordination as priest in 1996, were the other ordinations of married deacons to the priesthood done back in the Middle East? Or, were some done in the US? I would also like to know the answer to this question. Thus far, no one has answered it, and I see you've asked 3 times.
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It's in the Melkite magazine--if they put up a PDF of that, it will be in the most recent issue.
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The webpage for Sophia is here. [ melkite.org] However, they are behind putting up the issue with the speech in it. That's in the Summer, 2011 issue (just released), and the website has the Winter, 2010 issue online. The part about ordaining married men is not from the installation homily but from a speech given that evening at a dinner honoring Bishop Nicholas.
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After Fr. Andre's ordination as priest in 1996, were the other ordinations of married deacons to the priesthood done back in the Middle East? Or, were some done in the US? I would also like to know the answer to this question. Thus far, no one has answered it, and I see you've asked 3 times. Perhaps others will chime in. I'm beginning to wonder if the ordinations of married men that have occurred since 1996 were done in the Middle East where the Ban does not apply. I'm hoping I'm wrong about that, however.
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The biggest obstacle is, frankly, that of the economics involved in doing so, as well as the finances involved in subsequent parish support of a priestly family. Neil, on this point, I have to believe where there's a will there's a way.
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They were all taken to the old country for ordination as far as the Melkites.
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They were all taken to the old country for ordination as far as the Melkites. Thanks from me, too, Pani Rose. It seems I had a completely wrong impression about the Melkites, as I thought they already ordained married men to the priesthood in the US. Since they really hadn't yet taken this step, then it would seem to me that the Bishop's announcement is very significant. If I'm wrong about that, someone please correct me.
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It seems I had a completely wrong impression about the Melkites, as I thought they already ordained married men to the priesthood in the US. Jaya, You aren't the only one. I too was surprised to realize that we Melkites are not entitled to all of the praise that we've garnered over these past 15 years for taking on the edict against married ordination. Truth be told, it just never occurred to me that the ordinations were happening elsewhere than in the priest's home parish. In that time, with one exception, I don't think anyone has been ordained whom I knew personally, so my focus wasn't on the issue. I actually hadn't even consciously considered the implications that we were only ordaining from our diaconal ranks. Over these past 15 years, we Melkites have garnered quite the reputation as heroic and mythic and out there leading the charge for change, but I can accept that we have not been perfect in all regards. We can still point back to the heroic leadership of the Patriarchs Maximos IV and V, the successes of Archbishop Joseph's tenure, Bishop John's decision to ordain Father Andre, and His Beatitude Gregory III's vocal stances on various matters of concern. Not a bad score. Now, we need to pursue the matter and make rightfully ours that role which has been blythely, but incorrectly, credited to us for a decade and a half. Many years, Neil
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Godspeed!
I would still say that the Melkite Church has a lot to be proud of. In this particular case, it is the first to announce publicly its intentions to train and ordain married men to the priesthood here in the USA.
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I would still say that the Melkite Church has a lot to be proud of. In this particular case, it is the first to announce publicly its intentions to train and ordain married men to the priesthood here in the USA. I wholeheartedly agree. And may other Eastern Catholic Churches take it as a sign, and follow their lead.
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Dave, I see only 2 points. My recollection is that the faculties of those married priests whose ordinations were termed illicit were suspended, rather than 'removed'. My other observation is in regard to the comment "tensions between celibate Latin Rite priests and married Eastern Catholic priests have erupted; for example, in Italy in 2010.". I'd suggest that it be reworked to reflect that the issues were not between the presbyters of the Churches involved (at least, not as reported), but were raised by the Latin hierarchs - the Italian Episcopal Conference, I believe. Many years, Neil
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