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At Holy Virgin Cathedral here (ROCOR) they have every Sat. afternoon a Moleben beside the relics of St. John Maximovitch. They have very specific guidelines [ sfsobor.com] for prayer requests (these are only for the living) which include that: Non-Orthodox names are OK to include. To indicate someone who is non-Orthodox please use parenthesis around their names, for example: (Darren), (Jamie), (Sheryl), etc. Orthodox names submitted will also be commemorated at the Divine Liturgy the following day (Sunday). So in this instance they offer prayers for non-Orthodox in this service, but not during the Divine Liturgy.
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In both Orthodox and Greek Catholic Churches that have a Greek Catholic or Orthodox counterpart, this has long been the case. I am not following who or what exactly you are answering in this post. Alice, I hesitate to answer for Stuart, but I think he's saying that the practice you describe as having taken root in the Greek Orthodox Church is commonly also found among those Greek Catholic and Orthodox Churches that are 'counterparts' (e.g., the Byzantine Ruthenians and ACROD, the UGCC and UOC, the Melkites and Antiochians). As well as the intermarriages, it happens because families are so often divided between the two temples (often located on diagonally opposite sides of the same street). Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Thank you, Neil. When you have a situation in which families have one cousin who is a Greek Catholic priest and another an Orthodox bishop, or where one brother is an Orthodox priest and the other a Greek Catholic reader, or where Aunt Mary is Greek Catholic and her husband Uncle John is Orthodox, it's really hard to think of the other as other. Metropolitan Nicholas and Archbishop Vsevolod of blessed memory were both very frank about the fluidity of both attendance and communion in their respective jurisdictions.
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According to internet it seems that Eastern Catholics actually offer Mass intentions. But the Eastern Orthodox don't (since they missundestood the concept?) "Mass intention forms can be found in the church foyer. Please fill them out and place them in the collection basket. The stipend for the liturgy is $15.00" http://www.stnicholaspa.org/church_bul/2011/BUL_121811.pdfIn the Greek Orthodox church, we give names of those fallen asleep who are not Orthodox for memorial prayer. Awesome. Let's pray for all souls. I really hope the Orthodoxes also pray for non-Orthodox living people. Most Catholics quote this message from Fatima Our Lady said: "Many souls go to hell because they have no one to pray for them and make sacrifices for them.
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All 3 churches pray for the reposed.
but the concept of Mass intentions (eg only 1 per Eucharist) is a concept of the Latin Church.
Those Eastern Catholic Churches which practice this usage, as far as I understand it, are practicing a concept of the Latin Church.
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... but the concept of Mass intentions (eg only 1 per Eucharist) is a concept of the Latin Church. Herb, It is not quite accurate that the Latin Church concept is "only 1 Mass intention per Eucharist." The real concept is "only 1 stipend per Eucharist." This is required by Canon Law, to prevent priests from turning the Mass into a money-making operation.
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And I may add to this... On the days where we need to celebrate more than one Holy Mass, even though there is an intention attached to the second Mass, I may not accept that stipend from that intention. In other words, only one stipend may be accepted per Mass and only one stipend may be accepted per day. What do we do with the other stipend? It is sent to the diocese where it is placed either in the fund for priest health issues - to assist with co-pays and whatnot (And in light of present events... let's not go there  ) or to the seminarian education fund. In our diocese, with around 35 seminarians and growing, its not what it used to be  . Alleluia! Addendum: In our parish, when the calendar for a requested date is already filled but someone wants the name read at Mass, we don't accept the stipend but we just add the name. The graces of the Mass are limitless, so to help folks in their grief or celebration, we just add the name to the intention.
Last edited by Fr. Jon; 02/14/12 09:28 PM. Reason: Addendum
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