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Originally Posted by Apotheoun
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But with that out of the way I await the information I requested from the writings of the Church Fathers that supports the notion that women can act as readers during the parish liturgy, so that we can critically examine those texts and confirm that women acting as readers is a Tradition of the Church rooted in ancient times.

For purposes of this discussion, are we distinguishing between ordained readers/lectors and cantors, who also take the readings, in the absence of a reader or lector?
I am not. biggrin

Well in that case, this is likely to be an impractical exchange.

In this season of the Great Fast, we pray that charity be extended to those who serve rather thanklessly in their parishes to preserve our treasured Traditions, and to ensure that the Divine Liturgy is offered with due propriety and dignity.

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And I await taking this thread off line as previously requested since it truly has gone off the "main" road so to speak. Also, kindly see posting number #377075, I think that well expressed answer begs this discussion be taken privately or disbanded.


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I will ask that this thread be locked. No more posts by anyone!

Let's remember that this is supposed to be a time of peace and reflection!!!

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I truly dislike locking threads - particularly threads that ought to be amenable to rational, charitable, and civil discussion and dialogue.

I likewise dislike the insinuation that threads are locked on this site "when people do not like what they are reading."

Reality is that there are women readers, cantors, choir directors.

Reality is that in some such instances women serve these roles because no man elects to do so.

Reality is that it could be decreed that women are ineligible to serve in these roles because there is no patristic mandate for them to do so.

Reality is that decreeing such would not force those men who have heretofore declined to make themselves available for such roles to suddenly feel ashamed and empowered to step forth and assume them.

Reality is that there are likely no patristic writings that mandate the right of women to serve in these roles.

Reality is that there are likely several hundred acts that could be named (should anyone be so wanting for something to do) that are taken as tradition, as ekonomia, from habit, or from necessity, which are not the subject of any patristic writing - but they are still done.

Dogmatism ill-becomes Eastern Christians. We consistently point to it as a factor distinguishing between us and the Western Church ... but, is the absence of patristic writing on a topic a valid basis on which to proclaim some point of praxis to be inauthentic or is that dogmatic and, thus, antithical to what we say of ourselves?

The discussion has become circuitous. The thread is closed. Thanks to those who charitably contributed to it in the spirit of education and dialogue.

Many years,

Neil

Last edited by Irish Melkite; 03/10/12 06:50 PM.

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