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Remember my story? https://www.byzcath.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=002329 We have continued to go to the Saint Gabriel Byzantine Church here in Las Vegas. I totally love it and eventhough I can't change rites for now but I will continue to attend liturgy and vespers. Anyway I have a wonderful news!!! My ex protestant brother has converted to Catholicism! He started by attending the RCIA with me, mainly for curiosity, little by little I noticed a change in comprehending the doctrines and theology of our church. Later on I found him defending our faith with his protestant friends, until I asked him a week ago: "Dio, are you converting to Catholicism?"........he cracked up  He said, he was already a Catholic!!! Anyway, last night I was in shock, we came back from our RCIA and he asked me to please pray the rosary with him, I wanted to cry in the middle of it. He repudiated the idea of venerating our Blessed Mother. Well, he already talked to the RCIA directors and asked if he could stay in the classes but that he was going to have the sacraments of holy communion and confirmation in the Byzantine Catholic Church  Father Pipta and him have talkes as well and soon after the RCIA or in between I am not sure, Father Robert will take over the teachings to integrate him into the Byzantine Catholic Church. THANK YOU JESUS, YOU HAVE ANSWERED MY PRAYERS.
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Dear Iliana, A future Byzantine Catholic who loves the rosary? Now that truly IS a miracle!!  I'd like you to pray for some other Byzantine Catholics in the same way!! God bless the both of you! Alex
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ILIANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sure all of us here rejoice with you with the GREAT NEWS about your brother!!!!!!!!! Our Lord and the Blessed Mother were guiding him back!!!!
Many Years to you and your family!!!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: [QB] Dear Iliana, A future Byzantine Catholic who loves the rosary? Now that truly IS a miracle!! Why Alex? the rosary is not prayed in the Byzantine Catholic Church? I kind of though about it since I never saw any reference to it, but that is ok, I guess is individual. All I know is that I felt peace last night and so did my brother. Thank you for celebrating with me Brian and Alex, God Bless you.
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Dear Iliana: You asked: Why Alex? the rosary is not prayed in the Byzantine Catholic Church? I hope that you will not be in a shock (or in a quandary) when you realize the BIG difference between Roman Catholic (Latin) and Byzantine Catholic practices. Essentially, the Rosary is a Latin thing; as are the Stations of the Cross, the Sacred Heart of Jesus, the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and so many others. In point of fact, Our Lady of Guadalupe, your patroness, is a Latin thing, taken on by only a few Eastern Catholics. How I wish you spend more time in the Latin Church after coming home from Protestantism and recoup what you lost, and then transfer to the Byzantine Catholic Church at a later date. However, if Byzantine spirituality comes as a more comforting venue for you and your brother, so be it, don't hesitate as you have come home to the Catholic Church! Buena suerte! AmdG
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I have always been Roman Catholic, my brother is the one that is converting. However, nothing to worry about, he is still in the RCIA and he will still learn from me all about the Latin rite. He is converting to Catholicism in the Byzantine rite. God Bless. P.D. We will still pray the rosary. 
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Dear Iliana, I was joking . . . a bit There are those BC's who consider the rosary to be a Latin practice. Those, like us, who know better, know that the rosary was taken by the West from the East, as St Seraphim of Sarov once remarked . . . So we are just returning to what is ours to begin with! Alex
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Dear Iliana, The angels are throwing a party in heaven because of your brother's conversion!! I rejoice with you. Peace, Paul
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Thank you Alex for the information, I did not know that. I will look up the name and get the history of Seraphim of Sarov once.
Parome thank you, I am jumping too, help me pray because he is going to encounter some dislike from his evangelicals friends.
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I offer prayer for your brother. By receiving the Holy Eucharist he will strengthen himself for all types of spiritual warfare and he will be a good example to his non-Catholic friends.
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God bless you Iliana and God bless your brother! Don't worry about who prays what form of prayer, don't be confused. The rosary is beautiful and there is no reason to ditch it if you become Byzantine [ask Alex]. Besides, it is not a "latinization" if you started out Latin, it is a continuation of a means of grace!
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Iliana, I rejoice with you and your brother in this wonderful news!
The Holy Spirit is at work
Glory to God!
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Slava Isusu Christu!
Dear Iliana:
What glorious news! I am so very happy that a soul has found the Church of Jesus Christ! Regarding the Rosary: it is not really a latinization, but a transritual devotion. Since Catholics of ether ritual Church are not supposed to have private devotions during the Sacrifice of the Liturgy, what you do at home is a matter of conscience or for that matter before or after Liturgy at Church. The Marian Rosary and the Jesus Rosary or Chotki are both beneficial to the aescetical life. Tell your brother to enjoy!
You will encounter many people with various opinions regarding these matters, but what matters is what helps you to achieve salvation and deification. The good thing about Catholicism is it isn't an either or thing: we can have it all keeping in mind our own ritual traditions and patrimony.
Again, congrats!
In Christ,
Robert Horvath
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Originally posted by Robert Horvath.:
Slava Isusu Christu!
The Marian Rosary and the Jesus Rosary or Chotki are both beneficial to the aescetical life. Tell your brother to enjoy! What is a Jesus Rosary and a Chotki? I've heard of Kamandula (sorry if misspelled). I would like to learn how to pray those as well.
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Christ is Baptized! In the Jordan! Dear Iliana, Pray without ceasing" (1 Thes. 5:17) I am certainly not the person who could best answer you here, but since no one else picked it up, I'll give it a shot!! This topic has been addressed a number of times in the past, so you will get a great deal of information in the archives. However, as a novice there are only a few points you would need to know. The Jesus Prayer is often regarded as an Eastern counterpart to the Rosary, actually that is not true, but it can resemble a rosary to the casual observer because prayers are short and usually said with a beaded cord, or knotted rope called a komboskini (perhaps that's what you meant) or chotki. The Jesus Prayer itself is very, very old. It has been prayed in monasteries for as much as 16 centuries. -No one can say "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit- 1 Cor 12:3 According to the Liturgical Dictionary of Eastern Christianity [ copyright 1993 - Liturgical Press]
Also known as the Prayer of the Heart. This prayer probably had its origin in the Early 5th Century when such Greek writers as Diadochus of Photice and Saint John Clmacus of Mount Sinai (d. 649) recommended that the name of Jesus should be repeated constantly, as it was an efficacious form of prayer. This repetition became encapsulated in a short sentence now known as the Jesus Prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me " to which the words "a sinner" are often added. As a simple means of devotion for occasional use anyone should be able to pray the Jesus Prayer. There is a tradition in the east for some individuals to interiorize the prayer, in the hope of living out the mandate to pray without ceasing, in that practice it is advisable to seek spiritual direction. Many people on this forum could inundate you with more information than this, it is a very powerful form of prayer and very popular in the east, although not well known in the west. If you do not get more information than you can handle from a search on Jesus Prayer here on this forum, you can always start a new thread, the topic would certainly overrun this thread completely! In Christ, Michael
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