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Hi Curious Joe,
I mean among all jurisdictions that are making the visit to Rome, not my own Ruthenian Church in particular.
In XC,
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Eastern Orthodoxy here I come!
What Hopwash!
What shortage of men ... it does not exist.
It is a result of WEAK MEN in both churches - the elite club of Bishops and Cardinals who perpetrate anti Eastern sentiment
In my humble opinion - Orthodox Married Priests are superior in life experience than any Celibate Latin Priest I have ever talked to.
I am so tired to this subject I want to scream.
I want to be clergy - my diocese had MANY MANY MEN apply to the diaconate - and only 1 or 2 were selected -
who is going to be left to evangelize?
Another problem I have is that some Celibate priests (and yes I am going to get in trouble - this post will follow me for life) are GAY MEN trying to cope with their GAYNESS -
I don't care if they are GAY - I'm glad they are choosing the priesthood in answer to their homosexuality.
BUT MARRIED PRIESTS are sexual too - Gay priests are sexual whether they express it or NOT
SEXUALITY SHOULD NOT BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO PRIESTHOOD - ESPECIOALLY IN AN EASTERN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
I believe the Orthodox Church in America was started in large part by Eastern Rite Catholics who could no longer bear the intrusion of their heritage by ROME trying to dominate.
ROME SHOULD SERVE US - NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
PRIEST AND BISHOPS SHOULD SERVE US NOT LORD OVER US THEIR UNREASONABLE DEMANDS FOR "THE RIGHT KIND OF MEN"
THIS IS A FARCE - IF WE DON'T STAND IN REVOLT TO THIS AND MAKE ROME CHANGE - IF WE ARE TRUE TO THE FAITH WE PRACTICE AND PRAY
WE SHOULD LEAVE ROME - AS THEY DID IN THE 20'S AND 30'S CREATING THE OCA
May God help me understand and try to cope with patience and love the Pope I currently swear allegiance to. I'm not sure how much more I can take from this Latin Dominance of our heritage.
John
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TRUTH THE TRUTH IS THE ONLY WAY TO DEAL WITH ALL THIS
ORTHODOXY VS LATIN CATHOLICISM VS UNIATES
WE MUST ADHERE TO THE TRUTH.
WHERE DID JESUS EVERY SAY - HEY - ONLY QUALIFIED MEN AROUND ME PLEASE
HE HUNG OUT WITH THE SINNERS
HE LOVED THE SINNERS
ALL THE FISHERMEN HE SELECTED - DID THEY HAVE MASTERS DEGREE'S IN DIVINITY OR FOR THAT MATTER FISHING?
GOD HELP US - SEEK THE TRUTH IN ALL THINGS
THE LATINS LOVE EARTHLY KINGLY ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE TO ROME.
A HIGHLY STRUCTURE KINGSHIP - LORDING OVER THE SERFS
WHERE IS THE LOVE OF CHRIST IN ALL THIS?
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Another problem I have is that some Celibate priests (and yes I am going to get in trouble - this post will follow me for life) are GAY MEN trying to cope with their GAYNESS -
I don't care if they are GAY - I'm glad they are choosing the priesthood in answer to their homosexuality. Do you include monastics in this, or only priests?
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John, my friend,
I have toned down the one generalization that you made. I don't think it's supportable, defensible, or fair in the way it was initially phrased.
Many years,
Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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John, my friend,
I have toned down the one generalization that you made. I don't think it's supportable, defensible, or fair in the way it was initially phrased.
Many years,
Neil I know that the poster is upset, and I understand the underlying angst. Just a word in general is in order. The grass is not always greener on the other side - often it is just 'different.' Life-changing decisions ought not to be made in the heat of passion, but rather upon due deliberation and prayer. Good luck!
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Does Cardinal Sandri know that 25% (13 out of 52) of the priests in the Ukrainian Archeparchy of Philadelphia are married? And that is the lowest percentage of all of the constituent Eparchies and Archeparchy of the UGCC Metropolia in the US. In my Eparchy it is much higher (about 60%).
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Well, we can all agree that Cardinal Sandri has done much to enliven and energize the posts in the Forum.
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The issue is NOT how many priests in the Ukrainian Catholic Archeparchy of Philadelphia are married.....The issue is the ordination of married men to the priesthood in the U.S. Out of the 25% mentioned, how many of these married men were ordained by the Metropolitan? i can only think of one. Now Stamford? That is another issue. The same goes for Chicago and Parma....... The news releases on this ad limina visit seem to indicate not so much the issue of married clergy (celibacy vs non-celibacy) but the Eastern Bishops not seeking the permission of the Holy See to ordain married men. My take is that the Holy See is insisting upon a proper protocol to be followed...........
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Another problem I have is that some Celibate priests (and yes I am going to get in trouble - this post will follow me for life) are GAY MEN trying to cope with their GAYNESS -
I don't care if they are GAY - I'm glad they are choosing the priesthood in answer to their homosexuality.
BUT MARRIED PRIESTS are sexual too - Gay priests are sexual whether they express it or NOT
SEXUALITY SHOULD NOT BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO PRIESTHOOD - ESPECIOALLY IN AN EASTERN CATHOLIC CHURCH. I agree with the first part of your post (i.e., that many celibate priests are "gay"), but I do not agree with the second part. As I see it, if it is known that a man suffers from this disordered sexual condition he should not be ordained.
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They shouldn't be asking. They should be telling Rome they will ordain who they see fit, period. I agree. It is none of Rome's business if the Eastern Catholic Churches ordain married men. After all, that is our tradition.
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I think the point is that *quietly* ordaining married men without upsetting the Roman prefect of the Eastern Congregation is bad enough, without said prefect admonishing our bishops against it.
Again, it is my hope that the Eastern Churches are unanimous, assertive and clear in their response. I think that the "Eastern Congregation" should be completely ignored. To be honest, that curial congregation should not even exist.
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So how do we start a movement, demanding that the colonial office be closed?
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Another problem I have is that some Celibate priests (and yes I am going to get in trouble - this post will follow me for life) are GAY MEN trying to cope with their GAYNESS -
I don't care if they are GAY - I'm glad they are choosing the priesthood in answer to their homosexuality.
BUT MARRIED PRIESTS are sexual too - Gay priests are sexual whether they express it or NOT
SEXUALITY SHOULD NOT BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO PRIESTHOOD - ESPECIOALLY IN AN EASTERN CATHOLIC CHURCH. I agree with the first part of your post (i.e., that many celibate priests are "gay"), but I do not agree with the second part. As I see it, if it is known that a man suffers from this disordered sexual condition he should not be ordained. How can you say that, Apotheoun? What do you mean by 'suffer with this...condition'? We all suffer from 'disordered sexual conditions'. Unless our inclinations are always entirely in sync with revelation then, according to your paradigm, no one should be ordained. What is important is that a priest seek to conform himself to the mind of Christ in all things, and when he fails, to repent and keep trying to conform.
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So how do we start a movement, demanding that the colonial office be closed?  I do not think that that kind of movement would get very far in Rome. After all, Rome loves useless bureaucracy and it is not about to reduce the size of its structural apparatus just to please a small faction (i.e., Eastern Catholics) in the Catholic communion. That said, the Eastern Catholic response to the Vatican on most issues should be silence as we simply ignore the curia (and even the Pope) and do our best to maintain our traditions. I am sure that the Orthodox are watching to see what Rome does, so that they can determine whether or not there is any real reason to continue the process of ecumenical dialogue with the Vatican.
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