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Each "Rejoice' should be made 'Hail...' Dr. Roman wrote this akathist in English, as faar as we know. So how does a Greek word enter it? Gabriel, I quite agree with Bob. The Akathist is the original work of our brother and friend, Alex, not a translation. It hardly seems that it is our place to declare how he ought to have phrased it. Many years, Neil
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Dear Brother Neil,
I'm open to any and all suggestions! "Rejoice" seems more appropriate though but I'm no expert and will take your advice.
Alex
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Praise the Lord, Alex has emerged from the catacombs... 
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Alex, my brother and friend,
Welcome! As much as I hate to interrupt a thread dedicated to discussion of a prayer, I have to do so long enough to say that it is good to see a post typed by you.
Many years,
Neil
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Alex, my brother and friend,
Welcome! As much as I hate to interrupt a thread dedicated to discussion of a prayer, I have to do so long enough to say that it is good to see a post typed by you.
Many years,
Neil AMEN!
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Dear Brother Neil,
I'm happy to be back and bow to you, the Administrator,Pani Rose, Anhelyna of Glasgow and all you Orthodox Christians.
But what would be more appropriate "Rejoice" or "Hail?"
What are the issues behind both?
God bless,
Alex
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But what would be more appropriate "Rejoice" or "Hail?"
What are the issues behind both? Alex, my brother, I have read and recited, prayed and re-prayed, and I have my answer, but I can't assert that it's the correct one. I can see Gabriel's point but can't fully agree with him. My hang-up (for lack of a better word at this late hour) is in how one understands 'Rejoice' as being used in the prayers. Are we exhorting those addressed, Blessed Pope John Paul and the Theotokos, to rejoice in the description that is offered of their being - in effect saying 'Rejoice, (because you are) ...'? I don't know that I can understand it in that context, it is awkward. But, if we are exhorting them to rejoice, without understanding that the exhortation includes an unspoken thought such as I offered parenthetically, I have difficulty transitioning to the line following. Or, is the first word intended solely to greet them in each line, which would indeed argue for 'Hail', as Gabriel suggests? I don't accept that - why? Because it strikes me as too mundane, as lacking in the joyfulness of expression that 'rejoice' conveys. Or, are we prefacing our words to them so as to say 'We rejoice with you' - followed by a recital of a quality in each of them that merits rejoicing on our part? I conclude the latter and thus find 'Rejoice' the best choice. Not sure how you see it or meant it or how others might, but that was what it said to me. Many years, Neil
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FWIW, the Slavs translate "Chaire" as "Radjusja", which is "Rejoice." I, too, think it carries a more joyful connote that a simple and rather formal greeting/salutation carries, and apparently generations of Slav translators did too...
In Christ,
Adam
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