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1.:http://ierapostoli.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/baptisi_protestant/
2.:http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NxEADz8ve5M/TsLQAE1NEJI/AAAAAAAADQ8/QG4ELdEXp4Q/s1600/Athosreis%2Boktober%2B2011%2B036.jpg
3. http://kelliakalives.pblogs.gr/files/f/409764-14.jpg

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At the Holy Mountain they use the word "arsanas" when talking about the little port the twenty monasteries and some of the skites have in the Athos territory.






That is at the "arsanades" where the sacrament of Baptism is celebrated at the Holy Mountain. That is at the "arsanades" where they also celebrate what they call "baptism of heterodox converts", that is, of former Catholics and Protestants, a well known fact to all of you.

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But there is something worse than "baptizing" a former Catholic or Protestant...I have red reports from Greek Orthodox bishops in America (I am sorry that I can not provide you with them at this very moment) saying that Orthodox Christien that were received in the Orthodox Church by chrismation and were members of canonical Orthodox parishes in the U. S. A. decide to travel to Greece in order to be "baptized" properly after reading articles of contemporary Orthodox theologians suporting what we could call Neo Cyprian (Novatian, Donatian if you prefer, some Orthodox bishops are talking openly about Neonovatianism and Neodonatism) theology about Baptism. Recently the metropolitan bishop of Pireus (Greece) was putting in doubt the validdity of the baptism performed by affusion by the Serbian Orthodox Church. Is not difficult at all to find in the internet pictures or videos of Orthodox Baptisms by affusion in many places. TO BE CONTINUED...

Get to your point.

To the point now...as you can see in this picture of a baptism celebrated at the Holy Mountain (where the baptism celebrated by non Orthodox is considered invalid and non Orthodox Christians are received into the Orthodox Church by baptism)the celebrant is not plungling the candidate but the candidate is plunging himself in the waters...should this form of administering the sacrament of baptism be considered invalid?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NxEADz8ve5M/TsLQAE1NEJI/AAAAAAAADQ8/QG4ELdEXp4Q/s1600/Athosreis%2Boktober%2B2011%2B036.jpg

http://tontzosfotios.blogspot.com.es/2011/11/blog-post_16.html

Self Baptism?

Correct, he was not baptized. This is not the norm.