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As I understand things, the pallium issue is not one of any great concern to the Orthodox, at least those engaged in ecumenical dialogue with the Roman Church.

Thanks, Pavel. That's what I was figuring, based on the previous information, but I wanted to ask rather than assume.

Actually, a better question (although less related to me, personally) would have been: whom did Archbishop Stefan Soroka receive a pallium from (assuming he did receive one I mean)?

Indeed, honorifics are normally not big issues in larger ecumenical dialogue.

Except for the One Big Honorific, which is the source of all disagreement.

I seem to recall that YES our recent metropolitan archbishops received a pallium from Rome... but the manner of reception - again IIRC - has become pro forma and distinctive. That is to say the Metropolitan is not vested with the pallium with Roman rite recipients, but rather presented a pallium in a distinctive and separate ceremony that better reflects an affirmation of communion by both parties.


**IF** my recollection is correct (I beleive Father Louis Rafai is the person with whom I spoke about this over 10 years ago - is he on here?) this was done in an effort to change the context of the receipt of the pallium from "Vestment by Rome" to recognition of the metropolitan dignity that reflects a gift from one hierarch to another.

For those who are especially concerned about the symbolism and possible meaning, it might be worth looking closer to see what is really so.

Perhaps an interested party on here could contact the Met. Archbishop's office?

This is interesting...


So, if I'm understanding correctly, it seems that Metropolitan William will have both a pallium and an omophor.

Simple Sinner,

Good to see a post from you, my brother - it's been a long while.

I believe your recollection is correct as regards the presentation being done separately from that in which the Latin metropolitans receive the pallium. I'm not certain how far back that distinction was made - whether it originated with Metropolitan Basil or earlier but, now that you reference it, I remember likewise.

Many years,

Neil

Ok - tracked it down - somewhat. The pallium is ordinarily presented at the Papal Mass on the Feast od Saints Peter & Paul



Actually, as noted in a later post by our beloved friend and brother, Father Serge, of blessed memory, it was actually a public ceremony in the Sisine Chapel, private only in the sense that the majority of those in attendance were those who had traveled from Pittsburgh.

For earlier discussions, dating back to the time of Matropolitan Judson's repose and the naming of Metropolitan Basil, see:

Dates for new Bp/Met

and

Of Omophorions and Palliums

As to whether or not Metropolitan Basil, of blessed memory, also received the pallium separately from the Latin metropolitans, I can't find anything definitive.


Unfortunately, I guess that we can revise thinking along those lines. More like - 'this was done out of a sense of understanding that it was not in the best interests of promoting the spirit that incites the meeting of Pope and Ecumenical Patriarch on the Feast of Ss Peter and Paul' - read that as 'best not to upset the honored guest'

Many years,

Neil

Father Serge also mentioned that while the Pope put the Pallium on the Latin Metropolitans, he merely handed it to Metropolitan Judson.

Canon 412

1. All religious are subject to the Roman Pontiff as their

supreme superior, being bound by the obligation to obey him also

in virtue of the vow of obedience. 2. In order to provide

better for the welfare of institutes and for the needs of the

apostolate, the Roman Pontiff can by reason of his primacy over

the universal Church, contemplating the common welfare, exempt

institutes of consecrated life from the rule of the eparchial

bishop and subject them to him alone or to another ecclesiastical

authority.

With all the years that had passed, I completely forgot the detail of the EP being present on the feast of Ss P&P. That jogs the memory!


Yes, that is how I recall hearing how it went!

Perhaps I missed something in reviewing this thread. Can you say more about why you posted this?

I suspect that John may have meant to post this to a current thread in Church News titled "Embracing Celibacy follow-up" which was discussing a monastery, but I could be wrong.

Many years,

Neil

just noticed this on the Archeparchy website @
Archieparchial EVENTS [archeparchy.org] (check back for updates!)

June 29 – Friday
Feast of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul
CHANCERY CLOSED
Archbishop William receives Pallium/Omophor in Rome

Thanks for that info, Curious Joe. Incidentally, I think this is the first time I've seen it put that way (Pallium/Omophor).