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but I will put in our records that you are now one of us, and in the next coming couple of months we will remarry you here in our Church" Why would he need to "remarry" you? Did you receive the sacrament of Marriage in the Orthodox Church? If yes, then would this not be a valid marriage because the Orthodox mysteries are considered valid by the Catholic Communion? Not necessarily.
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That was a rather ugly and disrespectful response, and one that I don't think is in anyway constructive or helpful. For what it's worth, I disagree. Although I find myself fully agreeing with next to none of IAlmisry's posts, I never find them destructive or unhelpful. On an ordinary day, I almost never meet anyone who will say what he really thinks. And what's the use of exchanging ideas if you'll never really let your own idea out? Better still, to find someone who believes something, thinks about it, and then says it! This is truly a rare treat. Now I, as an unreconstructed Latin, may think that Mr. Almisry for all his stubborn opinions may one day suffer mightily in the purgatory he doubtless doubts, and if I say so, he may look at me as if I am speaking Greek (or is it Latin). For my part, I would only hope he would cut me some slack, given the graceless sacraments under which he refrains from speculating that I labour. Nevermind. I don't see why any of that should be a barrier to friendship. Indeed, if we are all brothers here, let us say what we really think.
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but I will put in our records that you are now one of us, and in the next coming couple of months we will remarry you here in our Church" Why would he need to "remarry" you? Did you receive the sacrament of Marriage in the Orthodox Church? If yes, then would this not be a valid marriage because the Orthodox mysteries are considered valid by the Catholic Communion? Nelson is quite right - there should be no need to conduct the Mystery of Matrimony again if it was performed in an Orthodox temple. Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Although Orthodoxy traditions are closer to Eastern Catholic traditions than in the Latin Rite, I'm sure there'll be some red tape to become Catholic from Orthodoxy, but that can be resolved over time. However, coming from the Latin Rite to the Byzantine Rite, then one would only have to talk to the priest or deacon about the differences in traditions between the two, since both are already Catholic, you won't have that red tape to go through. There should be no red tape involved - reception should be by profession of faith alone. Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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but I will put in our records that you are now one of us, and in the next coming couple of months we will remarry you here in our Church" Why would he need to "remarry" you? Did you receive the sacrament of Marriage in the Orthodox Church? If yes, then would this not be a valid marriage because the Orthodox mysteries are considered valid by the Catholic Communion? Nelson is quite right - there should be no need to conduct the Mystery of Matrimony again if it was performed in an Orthodox temple. Many years, Neil My wife is a Latin rite Catholic and we was married without the consent of her bishop, so the marriage would need legitimising in the Greek Catholic Church. That is what was explained to me anyway. It will help to make new friends in my new parish as I don't know anybody there. I will be attending for the first time tomorrow.
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Right, marriage is usually legalized with the aid of both bishops' approval from each Rite, which permission would 9 times out of 10 be granted, if all goes well. Here in the local area, it seems like Bishop John Kudrick and Bishop Richard Lennon have worked with each other before on situations like this, and from what I could tell, things seemed to work smoothly.
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I see there are already a mixture of different posts about this, and I'll leave the settling of it to someone else, as I'm no expert on marriage laws. But I think you hit on a key point gonesimera. Namely, it's an issue of bishop's consent (not to be confused with a validity-of-orders question).
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He told me that confession is not required from me as going to an Orthodox church is classed as fulfilment of my Sunday obligation. Normally confession would be needed if one chose to attend an Orthodox service over a Catholic service when one in any rite was available, right?
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I had a different experience than the OP. I went from Latin Catholic tO Byzantine Catholic (Ruthenian) to Holy Orthodoxy. It was like a seamless journey for me. I do not feel a yearning to be in communion with Rome as I feel that Holy Orthodoxy is the fullness of truth. I also feel completely Orthodox and completely catholic.  How would you describe feeling Orthodox and feeling completely catholic? How does this differ or does this differ from how you felt in the RC or EC churches?
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He told me that confession is not required from me as going to an Orthodox church is classed as fulfilment of my Sunday obligation. Normally confession would be needed if one chose to attend an Orthodox service over a Catholic service when one in any rite was available, right? *bump*
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He told me that confession is not required from me as going to an Orthodox church is classed as fulfilment of my Sunday obligation. Normally confession would be needed if one chose to attend an Orthodox service over a Catholic service when one in any rite was available, right? Anastasia, No, not in the opinion of at least most properly educated Eastern Catholic presbyters. Many years, Neil
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He told me that confession is not required from me as going to an Orthodox church is classed as fulfilment of my Sunday obligation. Normally confession would be needed if one chose to attend an Orthodox service over a Catholic service when one in any rite was available, right? Anastasia, No, not in the opinion of at least most properly educated Eastern Catholic presbyters. Many years, Neil What if an Eastern Catholic had the chance to attend a Roman rite/church Mass and chose to attend an Orthodox instead?
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I know Eastern Catholic clergy who, when they are on holiday away from home, do not go to an RC Church, but rather seek out the local Orthodox Temple.
The old question is: if you are in a town as an Eastern Catholic with an Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church to choose from on a Sunday, which would you attend? To which the answer among some would be 'the Orthodox'.
Not out of any disdain for their Roman brethren, but for the consistency of spiritual practice and understanding.
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The old question is: if you are in a town as an Eastern Catholic with an Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church to choose from on a Sunday, which would you attend? To which the answer among some would be 'the Orthodox'. What if an Eastern Catholic had the chance to attend a Roman rite/church Mass and chose to attend an Orthodox instead? When my wife and I travel we search out first any Byzantine Catholic parishes (if we intend to be there on a Sunday) and if there is no parish we search out local Eastern Orthodox parishes, and simply abstain from communion. We also usually email the local pastor (either Catholic or Orthodox) and let them know we are coming to liturgy. The Eastern Orthodox and Catholic parishes have all been warm to us as visitors. If there is no Byzantine Catholic or Orthodox Church near where we are visiting we then look for a Roman Catholic parish. We never feel any need to go to confession because we don't attend a Catholic liturgy. Not out of any disdain for their Roman brethren, but for the consistency of spiritual practice and understanding. Exactly! We are Byzantine Christians and frankly we don't feel at home in a Roman parish.
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Exactly! We are Byzantine Christians and frankly we don't feel at home in a Roman parish. And by we, I am referring to my wife and I.
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