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It was indeed an opportunity lost for the ROC - this protest has only highlighted the lack of daylight between Church and State in Russia (and is a prime example of why such separation a good thing - for the sake of the Church).
However, as has been outlined, we are not so far away as we like to pretend from such miscarriages of justice ourselves. That doesn't diminish criticism of Moscow, it is an impartial and moral response to those who feel we are immune.
Poke and prod a bit, and you can get highly educated Christian Americans to sound a lot like Putin himself, and that troubles me most.
Such miscarriages of justice ought to be condemned, period.
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Everything there is subject to legitimate criticism, just as everything here is subject to legitimate criticism. Exactly. It should not be seen as an attack against “Holy Russia”. I have not seen where anyone is saying that it is an attack on Holy Russia. But when some poster accuses others of drinking the "Kool-aid" because of disagreement....that is unfortunate. I think the Russian Orthodox Church officials committed a mistake even bigger than the band who demonstrated in the altar. In my opinion....two years was a light sentence. It’s an opportunity lost, because these protestors and those who join with them are now firmer in their belief that the Orthodox Church is merely a modern reincarnation of the KGB run Orthodox Church of the communist era. These protesters and their supporters are radicals. I think that the jail sentence was adequate to quell their reprehensible behaviour. But once again....that is only my opinion.
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Kool-Aid, Kool-aid, tastes great.
Wish I had some, can't wait.
I guess that dates me a bit.
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Poke and prod a bit, and you can get highly educated Christian Americans to sound a lot like Putin himself, and that troubles me most. Don't we have a lot of Christian Americans right on this forum parroting Putin?
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I have received complaints about Stuart's taunting 'kool-aid' comments, so can he please 'kool' it with the 'kool-aid' taunts and save it for the playground?!?  As for me, I would just respond: 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me'! Alice, Moderator
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Quid pro quo: No more Kool-Aid comments if I never see the term "Neo-Con" used on this forum again.
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Stuart, Stuart, Stuart---*sigh*
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Poke and prod a bit, and you can get highly educated Christian Americans to sound a lot like Putin himself, and that troubles me most. Don't we have a lot of Christian Americans right on this forum parroting Putin? We do, some parrot him defending Moscow's abuses, others in defending the USA's abuses. No good either way.
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I agree with Stuart as well. I think these women should have just been fined and sentenced to some community service. I surrender--you have all drunk the Cool-Aid, now you're going to have to live with the consequences. Some people have eyes but cannot-or will not-see. For what it's worth, Stuart, I agree with just about everything you've written in this thread.
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Thus free speech rights do not extend to private property. Someone has not been paying attention or reading the things I posted (yes, that means YOU!). Christ the Savior Cathedral does not belong to the Russian Orthodox Church--it was built and paid for, and is owned by the Russian government. Like the original Christ the Savior, it was built by the government as a monument to itself and its relationship with the Church. As such, it is in fact a government building, and the Lithwick objection does not pertain.
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