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Utroque, if your wife is canonically Eastern, then you can switch at any time without the normal transfer process by virtue of being married to her. Talk to your priest. Not so. That provision of the Canons applies only to the wife. However, there is ordinarily no objection on the part of either Latin or Eastern hierarch to a request by a husband in this situation to transfer his canonical enrollment. Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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The short story is RC wife and children convert to Orthodoxy, husband remains Catholic. Wife has guilt over leaving communion with Rome and is contemplating a return to the Catholic church.
How does the CC treat the sacraments the children received? If they went to a Latin rite parish would they still have to go through FHC and confirmation even though they have been receiving communion in the Orthodox church and have already been chrismated? Would the children be allowed to receive the Eucharist in a Byzantine Catholic parish since they have received all the sacraments of initiation from the Orthodox church? The closest Byzantine Catholic parish is a bit of a drive and the husband has a Latin rite parish/priest that he prefers, so the Latin rite parish would probably be the home parish for the family.
Thanks for any advice you are able to give. Capsela, Welcome to the forum. If your children were received into Orthodoxy by chrismation and subsequently return to the Latin Church with you (which is what would be the case, given that you came from the Latin Church), they will not (should not) be subsequently confirmed (when the time comes that they become of that age). The Mysteries which you and your children received in any canonical Orthodox Church are absolutely valid in the eyes of the Catholic Church. As regards receiving the Eucharist, they should not be denied the Eucharist in anticipation of making "First Communion" as they have already been receiving. However, depending on the level of sophistication regarding Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism on the part of the local Latin clergy, that may require some explaining and, possibly, intervention to have happen. Given that you live in a state in which Eastern Catholics and Orthodox are not an unknown (as is the case in some other states), it might not be the issue that it could be elsewhere. Many years, Neil
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Utroque, if your wife is canonically Eastern, then you can switch at any time without the normal transfer process by virtue of being married to her. Talk to your priest. Not so. That provision of the Canons applies only to the wife. However, there is ordinarily no objection on the part of either Latin or Eastern hierarch to a request by a husband in this situation to transfer his canonical enrollment. Many years, Neil Not so. A man at my parish recently switched from the Roman Church to the BCC when his wife was baptized into it. All he had to do was sign a form stating he was transferring. See Canon 112.1.2 "[A] spouse who declares at the time of marriage or during marriage that he or she is transferring to the Ritual Church sui iuris of the other spouse; but when the marriage has ended, that person can freely return to the Latin Church;"
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That is way too long Would you like me to contact your Bishop on your bIehalf. i am a Slav - I can fight anyone for any reason at any time.
Hilarious response Stuart! I can't private email you or I would!
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Think about this Brothers and Sisters in Christ
Would Jesus Christ himself cared which Rite you were in - as long as you were practicing The Faith He taught?
Some of these Eparchies and Dioceses should examine their own consciences when in comes to giving freely of what was so freely given them
My response to this topic was based on the Latin Rite receiving Eastern ORTHODOX
I should not comment since I don't know all the details to these issues.
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Utroque, if your wife is canonically Eastern, then you can switch at any time without the normal transfer process by virtue of being married to her. Talk to your priest. Not so. That provision of the Canons applies only to the wife. However, there is ordinarily no objection on the part of either Latin or Eastern hierarch to a request by a husband in this situation to transfer his canonical enrollment. Not so. A man at my parish recently switched from the Roman Church to the BCC when his wife was baptized into it. All he had to do was sign a form stating he was transferring. See Canon 112.1.2 "[A] spouse who declares at the time of marriage or during marriage that he or she is transferring to the Ritual Church sui iuris of the other spouse; but when the marriage has ended, that person can freely return to the Latin Church;" Garrison, My apologies. I stand corrected. I misread, because I was under the mistaken impression during all of his time here, that Utroque was himself Eastern Catholic and, therefore, applied the Eastern Canons (which only make the absolute right of transfer available to the wife) to his situation. Under Canon 33 (CCEO), a wife may transfer to the Church of the husband at the time of marriage or at any time during the marriage, without formally petitioning to do so. On cessation of the marriage, by annulment or death, (or otherwise - such as by a civil divorce), she can (but is not required to) return to the Church sui iuris in which she was originally enrolled.
Albeit unaddressed in the CCEO, a petition by a husband for such a transfer (at or during marriage) is invariably approved. It is arguable, however, that he would have to petition for reversion when the marriage ended, if he desired to do so. Many years, Neil
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i am a Slav - I can fight anyone for any reason at any time. Hahaha You may fight but this does not mean you neccessarily win. You cannot fight neither the pope nor the americans.
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Thank you, Neil. Your post answered my questions and sets my mind at ease about how the RC church should treat our possible return.
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Arbanon,
you are so right ... fighting Americans is exhausting - especially on this forum.
When Americans think they are right - there is nothing you can do to change their minds --- especially American Catholics (like me) -- after all - most American Catholics are still going to vote for Obama - despite his rabid promotion of abortion - against Church teaching - but you will never be able to change their minds - they have accepted the Hippie culture of Vatican II as their right to "freedom" of religious thought and values contrary to the true spirit of Vatican II and can justify anything you throw at them as a logical defense At least a Serbian will give up once he realizes he is wrong. (I know this from personal experience as I am mostly wrong on everything)
I am giving up the fight - it took years and goes against my Serbian makeup to NOT FIGHT - but that is my new game plan.
I give up on polemics - most people do what they want anyway and logical debate cannot even change their minds
Keep in mind that I am also ONE of THEM - I have trouble never backing down from my own position despite learning of my own ignorance and zealousness.
At least I recognize this trait in myself which gives me something spiritual to work on.
By the way ... I want to fight myself about this comment ... so you know I am crazy - I even want to fight with myself!
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No worries. I was confused when I saw the canons of the Eastern Churches, too.
Many years to you.
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When it comes to bad habits, we all share them. We are the same.
The best nation, if there is such one, on earth, is that which thinks humbly about itself. I have not so far in my life seen such a nation!
Jews, the chosen people, were at their best when they realized and declared 'Lord we have sinned against You! Have mercy on us'!
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We, eastern christians, may develop such a humble life style through the philosophy of the prayer rope 'Lord Jesus, have mercy on me'.
What can one say to God more than that? If one recites that he has asked Lord everything within few words.
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Haydukovich,
No need to do this... There is no hope now after that long. God's plan is somewhere else for me.
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