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I want to ask the theological question of why the mandorlas are almond shape?

Does anyone know?

Also - the triangular or star shaped rays present in some Icons

What is the significance of those?
Is it the icon writers interpretation of the various forms of created and uncreated light or are there specific reasons or meanings behind these representations?

I've asked these questions of modern and knowledgeable icon writers and they don't respond with theological answers or they may simply not know themselves.

If anyone has knowledge on these topics let me know.

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Originally Posted by haydukovich
I want to ask the theological question of why the mandorlas are almond shape?

Does anyone know?
Simply by definition, a mandorla is almond shaped, because that is Italian word for almond. If it's not shaped like an almond, it might be called a nimbus (as in the background to common images of Our Lady of Guadalupe) or something else, but it's not a mandorla.

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In Eastern iconography, the mandorla is used for things not seen by human eyes -- the Resurrection of Jesus -- or for things seen, but not fully seen by human eyes -- the Transfiguration of Christ, the Dormition of the Theotokos.

I don't have a source for this, but my educated guess would be that the almond was chosen as a cultural touchstone: Just as the nourishing sustenance of the almond is hidden inside its shell, the substantial truth of the event depicted is not evident to human eyes or understanding. The mystery must be revealed to the faithful.

Why an almond? Because that is the most prevalent nut in the Middle East.

As I said, this is an educated guess.

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Viewing Icons through my Western eyes I notice a strong resemblance between the almond-shaped mandorla and the elepitcal vessica found at the intersection of banding on western vestments, particularly on the hood of copes and the back of gothic chasubles.

The vessica--roughly the shape of a pair of parentheses () --is formed geometrically by the intersection of two circles of equal diameter. Three intersecting, equal diameter circles have been used as a symbol of the Holy Trinity.

The area of the vessica, then, is a demonstration of the work of two Persons of the Trinity which Who might otherwise be hidden or in the background. Since the center of a vessica usually contains a Chi-Rho or other Christological symbol the outline of the vessica may be said to represent God the Father and God the Holy Spirit at work and present in the life of Christ, the Son of the Living God.

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Originally Posted by Thomas the Seeker
Viewing Icons through my Western eyes...

Stop! Don't do that! biggrin

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The vessica's area is equal to the square root of 3 (in relation to the circles I guess)

Some kind of relation to the Trinity? ????

I found out some information about the triangles - as flashes of light - or lightning

all kinds of light emitting from the event

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Does the Mandorla come from the word ... or does the word come from the mandorla?

I know the name of the thing ... but why is it written (Painted)??


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Originally Posted by haydukovich
The vessica's area is equal to the square root of 3 (in relation to the circles I guess)

No, the area would depend on the diameter of the circles as well as the extent of the overlap.

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Mandorla has an oval shape and it has its roots in ancient Rome. “Imago clipeata” – is a term in art used in reference to the images of heroes on Roman shields. Shield portraits symbolizing glory and apotheosis have become a prototype for the depiction of glory of Christ. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imago_clipeata
There is an interesting article about St.Sophia in Ohrid (Macedonia) written by Russian scientist Alexey Lidov, where he explains the historical roots of the mandorla. He explains particularly it’s oval shape with reminiscences of so-called clipeus shields, which where wide spread in funerary portraits. Emperors and gods were painted with these shields, which symbolized eternity and power over the global space.
There are also roots of the depiction in early Buddhist art (opinion of the author) in the 1st. cent.A.D., where we find the shining mandorla depictions like a halo around figure of the deity. The roots of mandorla in Byzantine art are to be found both in ancient Roman and early Buddhist art.
You can see Godmother sitting on throne and holding Her Son, depicted standing in mandorla of glory in the conch of St. Sophia in Ohrid. This is the only known depiction of the Christ in mandorla with His Mother on throne after an iconoclasm period of Byzantine art (730-1046). Godmother holds mondorla as a shield, which shines as halo around Christ.
http://www.geolocation.ws/v/P/21960600/sveti-sofia-ohrid/en

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