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An interesting quote from the Church father Tertullian:
"Nothing is more foreign to us Christians than politics."
I think the biggest danger in politics, especially when it's as divisive as it is in our time, is that each side can stir its members to hate the opposition and see them as "the enemy". We are called to love our enemies and actually the only true enemy we have in this world is Satan.
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Dan, in all charity, you at times, can be as judgmental and condemning as anyone I've ever encountered--online or in person. In all charity??? When have we ever met? I was about to write that my comment to Roman was supposed to be in another thread. But I guess since you have exposed me with such charity my comment now would seem hypocritical. Your comments may be charitable, though I don't think so, but I'm not sure how they can have much clarity since I do not think I know you.
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Dan, in all charity, you at times, can be as judgmental and condemning as anyone I've ever encountered--online or in person. In all charity??? When have we ever met? I was about to write that my comment to Roman was supposed to be in another thread. But I guess since you have exposed me with such charity my comment now would seem hypocritical. Your comments may be charitable, though I don't think so, but I'm not sure how they can have much clarity since I do not think I know you. We've never met, and I've not claimed that we have. Perhaps that's how you read the words "online or in person," but in writing that I didn't mean to claim that we have ever met. Now, having re-read my post, I can see that it might have come across that way. But, as someone who has frequented this forum for six years, and has read no doubt literally hundreds, if not a few thousand of your posts, I stand by what I've said, with the following qualifier: the tone of many of your posts comes across as being quite condemning and judgmental-perhaps if I knew you personally, I might have a different impression.
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I wonder, sometimes, if Christians who are appalled by the sins of modern people imagine that their own redemption lies in...being appalled by the sins of modern people.
While Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly (and others) are out there getting our ire up by bemoaning the rot of liberalism and making us feel very self-righteous indeed about our conservatism...are we at the same time out there feeding the hungry, or clothing the naked, or visiting the imprisoned, or caring for the sick? Are you asking, or is it a rhetorical question. The answer is, yes, we are. Certainly more, according to the studies, than the other side taking their orders from Ed Schultz, Rachel Madow, Chris Matthews (and others).
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With respect, Carson, I think it is important to be able to distinguish between the gift of prophecy that comes from God and a conspiracy theory mentality that comes from paranoia. Glenn Beck doesn't enjoy the former, he suffers from the latter.
If he's even being genuine at all, that is.
When Beck first started out on TV, he used to say very straightforwardly that he was simply an entertainer and that all his...stuff...should be construed as nothing more than entertainment. Alas, there are people of a certain mindset who can't distinguish between that sort of "entertainment" and real news.
Look at the people who take the National Enquirer seriously, for example. Or the listeners who call into "Coast to Coast" who don't realize they're being exploited by George Noory for the entertainment of the rather cruel audience who get a kick out of their deranged ravings about vampires and shadow people and ancient aliens.
There is an entire industry that profits from the paranoia of the people who dwell on the fringe. Glenn Beck belongs to that industry. The same folks, different fringe, that brings us MSNBC?
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What happens if one doesn't feel self righteous? Is it a mandatory feeling for those who follow the news?
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For that matter who mandated such a feeling?
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The same folks, different fringe, that brings us MSNBC? Possibly. Before his debut as left-wing rabble rouser, Keith Olbermann was a sports reporter. Bill O'Reilly, too, I believe.
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IT's all entertainment. They do it, and the networks host it for the $$
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It's easy to dismiss people by claiming that they are all entertainers. Did you watch the clip? If so the question is "Is he right in supporting Pope Benedict or is he wrong?"
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Did you watch the clip? If so the question is "Is he right in supporting Pope Benedict or is he wrong?" I am glad that Glenn Beck, a fallen away Catholic who joined the LDS, supports Pope Benedict. That doesn't change the fact that he is an "entertainer." Part of being a talk show host is providing entertainment value. but I think God has given him a gift of prophecy. And to call him a prophet or to say that he is prophetic does a disservice to authentic prophetic voices within the Church. Listing to him is like listening to an Evangelical televangelist who predicts nothing but doom and gloom and the coming end of the world.
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Listing to him is like listening to an Evangelical televangelist who predicts nothing but doom and gloom and the coming end of the world. I would have said like listening to the Shamwow guy predict that you'll never buy paper towels again, but okay. 
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Ok, I give. Who are the prophets who today speak from within the Church? Who are those who bore people to death but get a hearing by anyone? I almost never listen to any of these guys but I believe what he has said here and I'm glad that he is getting the word out beyond the Church. In fact I think he's trying to find a way back into the Church without alienating his wife. BTW Why kill the messenger if you like what he says? For that matter I suspect that some of the posters here would be on the band wagon to have Jeremiah killed or the Stylites put in a mental health facility.
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For that matter I suspect that some of the posters here would be on the band wagon to have Jeremiah killed or the Stylites put in a mental health facility. It is ludicrous for you to compare Glenn Beck to St. Prophet Jeremiah and the holy Stylites! Seriously, Glenn Beck is a prophet just like Jeremiah? I can't understand your thinking on that one.
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Nelson, Back at you brother. I don't understand your thinking.
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