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Nun Simone Campbell speaking at the DNC shows how Roman Catholics compartmentalize the major moral issues of Catholicism.

She is very very interested in the Catholic Social issues portion of Catholic teachings


NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT ABORTION!!!!!


HOW DOES SHE RECONCILE THE ABORTION PLATFORM OF THE DEMOCRATS?

This is the major problem I see in Latin Catholicism.
How can you do Catholic Social Justice as a justification to support a candidate in FAVOR OR NOT ONLY ABORTIONS BUT VERY LATE TERM ABORTIONS - WHERE IF THE CHILD SURVIVES THE ABORTION PROCEDURE (it does happen) The state must kill the baby!!!!

This is nail in the coffin for me - I can no longer support a religion or a religious hierarchy with this problematic approach to morality.

How do you suppose a group of renegade religious who dissent from the teachings of the Catholic Church represent the mind of the Catholic hierarchy or even the whole of "Latin Catholicism"? Because of the rebellion of the dissident "Nuns on a Bus", the Roman Catholic Church has a problematic approach to morality? That's like blaming a man's high cholesterol on the healthy foods he refuses to eat.

In any event, the nun didn't endorse the Democratic platform, she simply spoke against the Paul Ryan budget. Republican doesn't = Christian any more than Democrat = Christian.

On the other hand, the USCCB for decades could best be described as the Democratic National Committee at prayer, there being so little difference between the teaching of the bishops on social issues and the platform of the Democratic Party. Apparently the bishops, too, thought they could compartmentalize things, until the bill came due this year. After happily climbing into bed with the Democrats, it turns out they don't respect the bishops in the morning, and now their graces must make the Walk of Shame.

Well, that's a bit over the top, although I do sort of sympathize with something in the general thrust of your remark, to a degree. I think in large part you're gauging the present by the past, however. I don't think you're alone in making that mistake, however. That having been said, if the bishops have often sided with the social issues embraced by the Democratic Party, it's got to be pointed out that Democratic Party, oftentimes, has more closely conformed itself to the message of the Gospel with respect to alot of those issues.

Part of the Gospel message is, in fact, that we are all brothers and that we ought to share the wealth and help our neighbors in need. Rugged individualism and trickle down economics, on the other hand, can hardly be discovered in the Gospel message. The Gospel also calls on us to eschew intense familial (extend that to "national") loyalties and to view all men and women as our brothers and sisters. "America first, the rest get the pieces," on the other hand, is not the sort of attitude one will find in the Gospels.

And this vexes me about the Republican and Democratic parties, to be honest. With respect to the Gospel message, the Democrats do, actually, get it right more often than the Republican Party (or so it seems to me)...except as regards the "headline" issues of the day (abortion, same sex marriage, &c). Why is it that the big military, small government, individualist, capitalistic, keep-the-government-out-of-my-business GOP should be the champion of the unborn and that the "I am my brother's keeper" Democrats should be the champions of abortion rights?

It's hard to figure out, really. But the fact that the GOP is right on one or two (albeit huge) moral issues, doesn't mean that they are right on every issue or even on most issues...and it also doesn't mean that the Democrats are wrong on every issue, or even on most issues.

So if the Catholic bishops have often seemed to have been allied in the past with politicians in the Democratic Party who have tried to bring about meaningful and needed social reforms whereas the GOP wanted nothing to do with those reforms, then I'm not really prepared to blame them for what the Democratic platform has degenerated into today.

Once upon a time the Democratic platform was nobler than it is, and if we're going to point out that the Catholic bishops were once allied with Deomcratic legislators, then we have to also be fair and say that they were allied, not with all the pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage stuff, but with issues that spoke to social justice, human and civil rights, and care for the poor and the marginalized of society.

Today, of course, conservative Catholic leaders (and followers) run the risk of snuggling too closely with the GOP, despite that party's many flaws, simply because the GOP gets it right (for now) on abortion and gay rights. I think it's very important that Catholics not fall into the trap of canonizing everything in the GOP platform, simply because of one or two issues that do resonate with them. It is highly misguided for a Catholic to think in terms of "the GOP are our friends and the Democrats are our enemies," or vice versa. Neither party is the political arm of the Catholic Church. Each party has something in common with the Gospel and each party embraces something abhorrent to the Gospel.

Nowhere, however, did Christ say, "Render unto Caesar that which is God's so that Caesar can equitably distribute it to those in need". I note that states and countries which have adopted this policy under the rubric "social democracy" are seriously deficient in individual charity. Why bother, after all, reaching out to help the hungry, the homeless, the sick, the lonely, when the state does that for you and you've already paid your taxes?

There is some encouraging news however. These older women are dying off and the new orders are generally loyal to Christ and His Church. http://www.womenofgrace.com/blog/?p=7104

It is the hierarchy of the Latin Catholic Church that supports these "Nuns"

Catholic voters vote for Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Nancy Sebelius, Bart Stupak, Barak Obama and are able to compartmentalize and justify effectively voting for

A) Abortion including late term abortion
B) HHS mandate to oppose their churches religious institutions


WHERE ARE THE PRO LIFE DEMOCRATS?????

If you want I will list all the Bishops in the USA who support abortionists.

In Utah the Bishop has endorsed a Gay Mayor who is rabidly Pro Choice - held award dinners on his behalf.

In fact I think the Bishop in Utah has never said one word to anyone about Abortion - or the HHS mandate - living in Utah I would expect such guidance from our Bishop but it is not forthcoming.

Carson - it appears that a lot of the "radical left" catholics all came from the 1960's Vatican II era - hippies.

I'm not sure if this comment has any evidence to back it up but what happened in America during the 40's and 50's to create such intense communistic (they call Simone the Nun a communalist) ideals?

I appreciate wanting to help the world and change the world and wanting to help the poor - I just can't wrap my head around how Abortion is so important to the cause of helping women and the poor.

I'm also struggling with how this woman justifies promoting Obama - as an example to all Catholics - signifying it's OK to vote for this particular abortionist - because he gives tax dollars to the poor.

She didn't. She didn't do anything but express her beef with Paul Ryan's budget. She did not endorse President Obama or any other Democrat.

Dead as smelts. Gone the way of the dodo. Sleeping with the fishes.

I would be interested in seeing your list, provided that unmistakable evidence is provided for each bishop you name regarding which "abortionists" he supports and how, precisely, he supports those "abortionists".

Sr. Campbell dismissed those concerns. “Speaking at a Jesuit parish in Charlotte, the executive director of the social justice lobby Network disparaged Vatican officials and US bishops as ‘inexperienced’ in pastoral work and revealed that she is uncomfortable describing herself as pro-life ‘because of my pride,’” reported Catholic World News on June 13. “After speaking on the importance of civility in political discourse, Sister Simone Campbell dismissed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s efforts to reform the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) as a ‘Vatican kerfuffle’ and, in the words of the Charlotte diocesan newspaper, ‘scorned the US bishops for their continued opposition to the health insurance law.’”
http://cal-catholic.com/wordpress/2012/09/05/questionable-credentials/

She should be excommunicated.

When the Church finally decides to fully crack down on the heretics we will all be better for it. Smaller to be sure, but much much stronger.

There it is in a nutshell. Pride is the downfall of many a soul. May we all pray for humility, instead letting the Holy Spirit speak for us.