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Originally Posted by StuartK
I assume Carson is addressing me. Yes, Holy Transfiguration has a web site, though it is nothing spectacular. The parish is growing and half that growth is organic (i.e., we like making babies). Of the remainder, half of that, I estimate, comes through marrying in, about a quarter through changes of particular ritual Church, and the rest are really, truly conversions involving adults receiving some or all of the Mysteries of Initiation (some people having been baptized in a Protestant denomination, other not). In the eleven years I was at Epiphany, I think there were just two other adult baptisms aside from mine and my wife's. There are typically three or four a year at Transfiguration.

I attribute a lot of this to the world of one of our deacons, Sabbatino Carnazzo, who runs something called The Institute for Catholic Culture and also teaches at Catholic University. This allows him to bring a lot of people, individually or in groups, to the Liturgy; a surprising number keep coming back. The rest just goes to the parish environment, which is extremely active, dynamic, and welcoming. That, in turn, is a reflection of the pastor, Father Archimandrite Joseph Francavilla.

I wouldn't scoff at the Middle East Food Festival held every Labor Day. It brings in thousands of people, and though they come for the food, there are also church tours and lectures about the Melkites and the Liturgy. Food festivals are really a secret weapon. We're Greek Catholics because we went to the Slavic Festival at Epiphany, went on the church tour, saw that (contrary to what our Orthodox friends had told us) this was a very Orthodox liturgy (sic transit gloria!), which encouraged us to come the next Sunday, and the Sunday after that, and after that, and finally to tell Father John we would like to be initiated into his Church.

Again, the key is the liturgy: if you do it well, and you can get people to come just once, very likely they will come again. Hence, the centrality of liturgy in the life of the Church: font and touchstone of theology, principal method of evangelism, primary instrument of catechesis through mystagogy.

Wow, you have Middle East Festivals out there on Labor Day, too? I know there's a Melkite Church in our area that holds that the exact same weekend in St. Elias. Although I never really attended a Liturgy at St. Elias, I do love their festival to be sure.

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That's nothing. St. Katherine's Greek Orthodox Church in Falls Church has two festivals each year--one coming up in October, and another in June.

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Hehe. Interesting. Maybe that might be something to consider, a "virtual" festival that welcomes one to visit an ethnic church of Eastern European origin, as well as, well, you can't exactly have a "food" festival, LOL, that would be near impossible in a virtual world. But you can have music through MP3s, different entertainment perhaps, and stuff along those lines.

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As long as we recognize that Pennsylvania polka bands are not authentic Carpatho-Rusyn music.

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LOL. Well, I wouldn't go THAT far. However, I'd say that we should have someone attend a Carpatho-Rusyn Church's festival. Hey, we have one coming up in another couple of weeks in our area, and I'll most likely be attending, weather-permitting:

http://www.stjoebyz.com/?events&id=881

Although I'd look suspicious having a web cam and a laptop along, though, wouldn't I? Then again, they DO have an open house weekend this weekend... Although I'm kind of procrastinating seeing as though the DL is in another, hour - hour and a half.

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Originally Posted by StuartK
Going after disaffected Latins is like robbing Peter to pay Andrew. Also, many of those disaffected in the West would be even more disaffected with us. I would prefer to go after the unchurched, so as to avoid what Paul described as "plowing in another man's field".


Sometimes the difference in perspective can do wonders. Hey, it worked for me. And if they don't become good Catholics after this? Then feel free to go to the Evangelical church next door. At least we have done all we could as Catholics to expose them to the rich Liturgical diversity of our Church and try to set them in the right path in a manner that would speak to their soul. But if none of these works, at least we tried our best.

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Originally Posted by StuartK
As Father Taft has noted, the problem is tautological: the bishops beg off implementing reforms because "the people are not ready", and the people are not ready because the bishops refuse to teach the authentic Tradition. Meanwhile, priests who want to do so find themselves whipsawed between the directives of the Holy See to restore the fullness of our patrimony, and their eparchial bishops who refuse to do so and (sadly) sometimes discipline priests seen as too "Orthodox".

In such a situation, only the laity can break the logjam by demanding that which is rightfully theirs: the full Tradition of the Byzantine-Constantinopolitan rite, in liturgy, theology, spirituality, doctrine and discipline. Nothing less will do. If we do not want this, then we should just become Latins and have done with it.


Ultimately it is about the parish not being open to newcomers. The clergy is afraid to force changes because it will scare away the regular customers and if they are gone then who will be there on Sundays? But as long as these parishes are heavily ethnic then other non-ethnic people won't come in. So again another business decision has to be made. An Eparchy should "invest" in a "start-up" parish, one that is 100% spiritual and 0% ethnic. They may have to try this out with a parish that is already dying. Otherwise, "foreigners" won't come to a place that is too ethnic, and the ethnic crowd don't want to change what they already have.

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The other problem here is there is someone who is non-Catholic and wants to become Catholic, what are we going to tell them? Of course now we have to go to comparissons between East and West, and how do you do that without being too negative about the West?

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Most are likely to be familiar with Western Christianity. Rather than make comparisons, just elaborate on what we do.

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Originally Posted by StuartK
Most are likely to be familiar with Western Christianity. Rather than make comparisons, just elaborate on what we do.


This.

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Y'all we just had our festival. From Thursday afternoon until Friday evening we served over 100,000 people. We completed the festival with almost that many the next day. Unbelievable! They said the church tours were nonstop with thirty to fourth people in each group, with four groups going all the time.

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Originally Posted by Pani Rose
Y'all we just had our festival. From Thursday afternoon until Friday evening we served over 100,000 people. We completed the festival with almost that many the next day. Unbelievable! They said the church tours were nonstop with thirty to fourth people in each group, with four groups going all the time.


Nice! Glad to hear turnout was such smile.

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Originally Posted by Pani Rose
Y'all we just had our festival. From Thursday afternoon until Friday evening we served over 100,000 people. We completed the festival with almost that many the next day. Unbelievable! They said the church tours were nonstop with thirty to fourth people in each group, with four groups going all the time.


That is nice. It is good to get people to step in the church. I think with such ethnic Churches most people won't even give it a thought to even bother to peek inside.

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Going back to websites, see, the Orthodox have:

Ancient Faith website
Journey to Orthodoxy website
Orthodox Christian Network website

What do we ECs have? People don't even vaguely know we exist.

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