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In the Hours and other prayers (MOLEBEN etc) as reader service
there are 12 kyrie eleison ...
Why?
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12 Lord have mercies before the CALL TO PRAYER
WHY 12?
WHAT ABOUT 40?
WHY DO THEY BELONG WHERE THEY BELONG IN THE LITURGICAL STRUCTURE?
I have also seen - "replace Litany of Peach with 12 Lord Have Mercies in the absence of a deacon" in Matins
Again - please explain
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In peach let us pray to the Lord? Is this from Roald Dahl's "Liturgy of St. James and the Giant Peach"?
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The number 12 is a sacred number, appearing over and over again in the Sacred Scriptures and symbolizing, among other things, earthly perfection. You can find a useful wikipedia article about the significance of the number 12 in Judaism and Christianity. Churches of apostolic origin have patterns of this number in their liturgies. The book " Walking with God: A Journey Through the Bible [ amazon.com] " from Ascension Press includes a wonderful article about the numbers in Scripture. I would copy what the book says about "12" here but I gave my copy of the book away. It is a great resource and I recommend it highly.
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Three seemed like too few, and forty seemed like too many, but twelve seemed just right.
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I have also seen - "replace Litany of Peach with 12 Lord Have Mercies in the absence of a deacon" in Matins
Again - please explain The Litany of Peach is replaced by the Litany of Pomegranate on certain occasions.
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Hmm, then you have the Litany of Pyrohies in the upcoming revised UGCC DL.
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Twelve "Lord have mercy"s is just peachy.
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Yeah, that's right. Just like there are those that order pyrohy by the dozen, but that's besides the point.
Now in the Ruthenian Matins, because there are those parishes that have Matingies, and it seems like there are the twelve intentions of supplication, if I remember the term right. So that's something else to consider. I thought there was something that we chanted "Hospody Pomyluy" to about that many times, I know it wasn't the Great Litany, even though in Matingies, this is part of the Matins, and not of the Divine Liturgy, since both seem to intertwine with each other.
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Twelve tribes of Israel
Twelve apostles.
Twelve gates to the City in the New Jerusalem.
Twelve is the sum of 10 (Commandments) plus 2 (First and greatest Commandment: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and strength and the second like unto it, love your neighbor as yourself")
Twelve is the product of three (Persons of God, the Most Holy Trinity) and four (the Gospels).
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Plus 12 is the month of the Lord's Birth (December is the 12th month), you have 12 months in a year, 12 hours on a clock, so yeah.
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In a Reader Service for Vespers or Matins the Litanies are not done but replaced with "Lord have mercy" because you can't take a litany without a priest. The Litany of Peace, Insistent Litany, and Angel of Peace Litany are replaced with "Lord have mercy" twelve times and the Little Litany is replaced with "Lord have mercy" three times. In the Little Hours and Compline there is a forty times "Lord have mercy" in rememberance of the 40 lashes Our Lord received.
My cromulent posts embiggen this forum.
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40 is also symbolic of the days in the desert with accompanying temptations of our Lord, God, and Savior, and the ascetic struggle and prayer is often likened to the "desert". There are also 40 Lord, have Mercy's in the Midnight Office, as well as Typika and Vespers during the Great Fast.
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40 is also symbolic of the days in the desert with accompanying temptations of our Lord, God, and Savior, and the ascetic struggle and prayer is often likened to the "desert". There are also 40 Lord, have Mercy's in the Midnight Office, as well as Typika and Vespers during the Great Fast. 40 is a number closely associated with repentance. 40 days of the deluge 40 days when Moses fasted and prayed on Sinai awaiting the Law "40 days and Nineveh will be destroyed"--the sermon of Jonah. and of course the example of Our Lord.
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