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Actually, Father Serge's book demonstrated pretty well that neither A nor B is correct, in regard to the Ruthenian Church in the United States. The Divine Liturgy was never celebrated fully in accordance with the Slavonic Liturgicon, because the Liturgicon was never promulgated and implemented in this country. In particular, the rubrics of the Liturgicon and the Ordo celebrationis were never implemented as required.
Rather than making a full translation of the Liturgicon in proper English, the Intereparchial Liturgical Commission chose to promulgate its own variant text, with radical abbreviations and a number of questionable (when not outright erroneous) translations.
So, if the people are reacting against anything, it is the disruption of that which was familiar to them, not to the replacement of a full and correct celebration with something less. The people have never actually known a full and proper celebration of the Liturgy.
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By the way, reading Father Serge's book in parallel with the ongoing "History of the Eparchy of Passaic" in Eastern Catholic Life makes for interesting comparisons. Are they actually talking about the same persons and events?
But, as the Russians used to (and may still) say, Pravda ni isvestia, Isvestia ni pravda.
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Actually, Father Serge's book demonstrated pretty well that neither A nor B is correct, in regard to the Ruthenian Church in the United States. The Divine Liturgy was never celebrated fully in accordance with the Slavonic Liturgicon, because the Liturgicon was never promulgated and implemented in this country. In particular, the rubrics of the Liturgicon and the Ordo celebrationis were never implemented as required.
Rather than making a full translation of the Liturgicon in proper English, the Intereparchial Liturgical Commission chose to promulgate its own variant text, with radical abbreviations and a number of questionable (when not outright erroneous) translations.
So, if the people are reacting against anything, it is the disruption of that which was familiar to them, not to the replacement of a full and correct celebration with something less. The people have never actually known a full and proper celebration of the Liturgy. "B" is and remains correct. Bishop Mihalik actually promulgated the full Ruthenian recension and expected parishes to follow it. Msgr. Pataki used all his political power to force him to rescind it. I am confident that if our parishes followed it they'd still have people attending them. Visit St. Sergius and see for yourself. They celebrate the full liturgy and get a nice crowd. The Revised Cathedral is almost empty. All they need to do to fill the churches is to follow the official books. I take it from your writings here that you'd prefer your own version of the liturgy to either the RDL or the full Ruthenian?
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I take it from your writings here that you'd prefer your own version of the liturgy to either the RDL or the full Ruthenian? Perhaps you would care to clarify this statement?
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I take it from your writings here that you'd prefer your own version of the liturgy to either the RDL or the full Ruthenian? I take it you have not read Stuart's past statements on the RDL or you would not have asked this question.
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