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"We also renew the order of the other venerable Patriarchs which has been handed down in the canons, that the Patriarch of Constantinople should be the second after the Most Holy Pope of Rome, that of Alexandria the third, that of Antioch the fourth and that of Jerusalem the fifth, without prejudice to all their privileges and rights."
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/j.../hf_jp-ii_spe_19980929_patriarca_en.html

What does this mean order?
What does this mean without prejudice to privileges and rights?

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In the document you link to in your post, Blessed John Paul II is quoting the Council of Florence (1438-1445) [ewtn.com]. The council wanted to restore union between the Greek and Latin Churches.

The "order" of patriarchs is their respective rank within the universal church. The council says it doesn't want to change the order.

"Without prejudice to all their privileges and rights" means that all the patriarchs are to keep all their traditional rights.

In other words, the council wants to guarantee that union between the Greek and Latin Churches doesn't mean any change to the order of the patriarchs or their traditional rights.

By quoting the council, Blessed John Paul II says that he agrees with it and wants the same things.

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I didn't know there was an order other than the Pope is first in the Catholic Church, and I heard of a first among equals in the EO Church.

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What the council of Florence was "renewing" was the canon of the fourth Lateran council
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5. The dignity of the patriarchal sees

Renewing the ancient privileges of the patriarchal sees, we decree, with the approval of this sacred universal synod, that after the Roman church, which through the Lord's disposition has a primacy of ordinary power over all other churches inasmuch as it is the mother and mistress of all Christ's faithful, the church of Constantinople shall have the first place, the church of Alexandria the second place, the church of Antioch the third place, and the church of Jerusalem the fourth place, each maintaining its own rank. Thus after their pontiffs have received from the Roman pontiff the pallium, which is the sign of the fullness of the pontifical office, and have taken an oath of fidelity and obedience to him they may lawfully confer the pallium on their own suffragans, receiving from them for themselves canonical profession and for the Roman church the promise of obedience. They may have a standard of the Lord's cross carried before them anywhere except in the city of Rome or wherever there is present the supreme pontiff or his legate wearing the insignia of the apostolic dignity. In all the provinces subject to their jurisdiction let appeal be made to them, when it is necessary, except for appeals made to the apostolic see, to which all must humbly defer.
http://www.legionofmarytidewater.com/faith/ECUM12.HTM#5
This represents the first official acquiescence of Old Rome to Canon 3 of the Ecumenical Council of Constantinople I. Until then, Old Rome tried to avoid recognizing the Sacred Canons on the order of patriarchates.

Of course, canon 5 of IV Lateran was talking about the Latin patriarchs the Crusaders had installed to replace the patriarchs, in disregard of "all their privileges and rights." At the time, of course, the "Supreme Pontiff" had no "Eastern Catholics in union with Rome."

Btw, I don't know if the Vatican has issued canons on the order of all its "sui juris" churches. The order of the diptychs among the Orthodox differ from one Church to another after Russia/Moscow.

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If you remember the funeral of blessed Pope JP2, the order that the Patriarchs sat is the order of precedence.

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Originally Posted by IAlmisry
Btw, I don't know if the Vatican has issued canons on the order of all its "sui juris" churches. The order of the diptychs among the Orthodox differ from one Church to another after Russia/Moscow.
Diptychs?

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Originally Posted by Anastasia13
Originally Posted by IAlmisry
Btw, I don't know if the Vatican has issued canons on the order of all its "sui juris" churches. The order of the diptychs among the Orthodox differ from one Church to another after Russia/Moscow.
Diptychs?
The affirmation of communion.

At every DL, the priest commemorates his bishop (and some the primate/metropolitan)

The bishop, at his DL, commemorates his Holy Synod and its primate.

The primate, at his DL, commemorates the Holy Synod and the Patriarch (or Pope/Catholicos/Archbishop/Metropolitan as it might be).

The autocephalous Patriarch/Pope/Catholicos/Archbishop/Metropolitan commemorates the primates of the other autocephalous Church.

To strike someone from the diptychs, as happened to the Pope of Old Rome after 1017, signals that they-and all those who commemorate their communion with them-are outside the Orthodox communion of the Catholic Church.

When the Patriarch of Moscow dropped the EP from the diptychs a few years ago (for uncanonical interference in the Patriarchate of Moscow), for that brief period the Patriarchate of Moscow and the Ecumenical Patriarchate were not in communion. Which meant that facilities in Great Britain, for instance, that were shared had to cease functions in common during that time.

That is also why it was a big deal that Pope Theodoros II (the Greek/EO Patriarch of Alexandria) was commemorated at the enthronement of Pope Theodoros II (the Coptic/OO Patriarch of Alexandria).

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To strike someone from the diptychs, as happened to the Pope of Old Rome after 1017, signals that they-and all those who commemorate their communion with them-are outside the Orthodox communion of the Catholic Church.

Didn't only the EP strike the Pope from the dyptichs at that time? Pretty sure in 1054 and after Old and New Rome were out of communion but it took longer for the other Patriarchs of the East to strike Rome from their diptychs.

Could you elaborate on the two Patriarchs/Popes of Alexandria commemorating at the DL?

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Originally Posted by Nelson Chase
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To strike someone from the diptychs, as happened to the Pope of Old Rome after 1017, signals that they-and all those who commemorate their communion with them-are outside the Orthodox communion of the Catholic Church.

Didn't only the EP strike the Pope from the dyptichs at that time? Pretty sure in 1054 and after Old and New Rome were out of communion but it took longer for the other Patriarchs of the East to strike Rome from their diptychs.
Yes, that's why I changed "in 1017" to "after 1017."
Originally Posted by Nelson Chase
Could you elaborate on the two Patriarchs/Popes of Alexandria commemorating at the DL?
I'll try to find the link. It's on Youtube. I can't remember if it had English subtitles, though.


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