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Also, our bishops are accepting married priests from Ukraine, yet won't ordain American born married men. Can someone please explain that logic? They are accepting Americans. My Eparchy has two currently in formation for the priesthood that are American-born.
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Yes an entire eparchy have to my knowledge not had a successful deacon candidate in over 4 years - let alone a priest - one was ordained 3 years ago - not married - celibate - and there have been no others accepted even though viable valid men (myself included) have applied and expressed interest.
The last thing I was told was that I pissed off the vocations director by asking him why they don't allow married men to be ordained.
The vocations in my eparchy are a disaster - but hey - if that's what they want - that's what they'll get NO PRIESTS because they are not even accepting celibate men now.
It makes people mad - mad enough to leave the church and return to Orthodoxy.
I get the strange sense that these men in charge have their roles carved out and don't want others to invade their space.
- God help me for judging him. The deacon program runs in four year cycles. The last ordinations would have been 2011. Phoenix just ordained Fr Diodore Mendoza a year or so ago and they have four men studying at the Seminary, two of them married deacons. You are way off base and out of line on this one.
My cromulent posts embiggen this forum.
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Is that website a fair one? It seems a bit extremist. On a traditional website (Orthodox) from Greece, it says that that he was a 'spiritual child of Pope John Paul II.' The news one gets from Europe in other languages (even an Orthodox country) is often more accurate and informational than what we read here!
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1. Allow married clergy. The Church started the ball rolling, again, by permitting and encouraging the ordination of married ex-Anglican and Protestant clergy; Pastoral Provision of 1980, and Pope Benedict XVI's Anglicanorum coetibus. Married men have a place at the altar along with their celibate brothers.
Follow the Eastern custom of having bishops selected among the celibate priests.
2. Consider the case of the ancient female diaconate, non-liturgical. St. Phoebe the Deaconess, as mentioned and lauded by St. Paul. How did that ministry operate?
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Come tomorrow morning, he needs to register an account on Rotate Caeli.
Promto.
He needs to get the ball rolling on wummin priests, eliminating the tat and setting the Inquisition on the priests celebrating traditional mass.
(But then no one expects the Inquisition.)
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No Jim ... no facts left out ... refused a place to pray
When I prayed outside I was told to shutup and leave.
Not everyone who professes to be Christian acts as you may.
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With all due respect Father Deacon Lance ... Not really ... you don't know the facts ...
and quite frankly I'm tired of begging.
John
p.s. they have not contacted me at all for the next cycle ... you'd think 4 years they'd at least try to groom some people or develop them further or at least try to communicate.
unless of course I am so absolutely undesireable to them that they don't want to contact me ... which is exactly the way I feel. What kind of message is that to a man wanting to be closer to the Holy Table? wanting to serve others?
the message is loud and clear - we think you are undesirable.
I am not the only one that feels this way --- I know at least 3 others who feel the same way.
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Is that website a fair one? It seems a bit extremist. Rorate Caeli is rather more than a bit extremist. It is a blog that expresses the attitudes of the far-right "traditionalist" milieu and their alarmist reaction to the election of Pope Francis is typical. Many of the readers of that blog are Lefebvrists and/or sedevacantists.
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I do not credit these alarms of the trads very much at all.
I am concerned about the folksiness of liturgy in the RC church and I long too for more chant and solemnity, but I do not find their rejection compelling at all, nor, for example, their polemics against such 'Vatican II innovations' as the belief that the Eucharistic celebration commemorates, participates in, and makes present the paschal mystery of Christ. They do not need to hear from the Fathers or the ancient church--they have taken their snapshot and hold it up as the sole arbiter of faithfulness.
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Please accept my apologies for inserting my hurt feelings about being rejected.
I realize that the reason I lash out about this topic is from these hurt feelings.
The truth is - I am completely unworthy - but yearning to serve.
Please accept my apology.
John
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Rorate Caeli is rather more than a bit extremist. Totally unhinged would be more accurate.
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Yes, Female Deacons according to the Byzantine Tradition. We could use them.
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I went to an Episcopal Church service the other day - WHAT A DIFFERENCE - the people are interested in you - spend time with you - pay attention to you - Smile, laugh, talk about God,kids, job FRIENDLY IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT and it's infectious from the Pastor on down
(high class, polite, manners, and proper etiquette - The Anglican way - God they are just NICE PEOPLE PERIOD)
Does anyone ever get greeted like that in our Byzcath churches? Every single Ruthenian church I've attended. And priests I've met once at them recognized and greeted me at my own parish. hawk
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